EV Owners Thread

[DRM]

Air intake to be correct...

Yep hydrauliced engine is not funny

 

[dicko]

Any love for the soon to be released Renault 5 EV?

Looks like a cool car - probably a tad too small for us for holiday luggage (we like to get it all in the boot and not leave some on display in eg car parks).

Web pictures look good, and final car is supposed to be extremely similar although the link talks about the underpinnings on a current model car.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/prototype-renault-5-ev-test-drive

Yes, I would buy one of those

 

[MrGrumpy]

Tesla are in the top insurance group. Apparently this is due to their manufacturing making it difficult to do things like repair minor dents, and also the tendency of people to test out the huge amount of acceleration you get, without autopilot being switched on to stop them crashing.

Was chatting to my Bro Law last night, looking to chop in the Tesla model S for something a bit bigger . Was thinking Model Y , however insurance has gone silly on them and as you say it’s the time taken to get repairs done !

Doesn’t seem as straightforward as any other car, due to technicalities and rarity of spares. Tesla are setup to pump out cars as quick as they can , don’t have that depth of support for spares as other well known brands.

The end result is that , he is swithering about going back to an ICE vehicle .

 

[mikeIow]

Our Kona (around £38k when bought) was no more expensive than our previous ICE.

This year did see prices rise….a shop around got it at £318, whilst my 9yr old Volvo XC60 is under £200….

 

[mikeIow]

Yes, I would buy one of those

Not sure here….firstly, I prefer 5 doors (easier to open in car parks!)….

Quite liking the look of the SMART #1. Planning to take a look at the Volvo EX30…
….but we still love our Kona, over 4yrs and 45k miles in!

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Not sure here….firstly, I prefer 5 doors (easier to open in car parks!)….

Quite liking the look of the SMART #1. Planning to take a look at the Volvo EX30…
….but we still love our Kona, over 4yrs and 45k miles in!

The Renault 5 EV is a 5 door that looks like a 3 door.

https://images.app.goo.gl/6rFgf5b4iUK97E87A
https://images.app.goo.gl/6rFgf5b4iUK97E87A

 

[icowden]

Doesn’t seem as straightforward as any other car, due to technicalities and rarity of spares. Tesla are setup to pump out cars as quick as they can , don’t have that depth of support for spares as other well known brands.

It isn't. Musk plumped for radical ideas that made it easier, quicker and cheaper to build the cars. This isn't the same as being able to repair them. ICE manufacturers build cars so you can whip off a panel or a bumper whereas Tesla's parts tend to be huge and all encompassing.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

It isn't. Musk plumped for radical ideas that made it easier, quicker and cheaper to build the cars. This isn't the same as being able to repair them. ICE manufacturers build cars so you can whip off a panel or a bumper whereas Tesla's parts tend to be huge and all encompassing.

I watched a clip on YT the other day - Taycan owner thought he had trashed his battery (he hadn't in the end) and the Porsche Centre he was dealing with initially said around £40k for a new battery install!

 

[DRM]

It isn't. Musk plumped for radical ideas that made it easier, quicker and cheaper to build the cars. This isn't the same as being able to repair them. ICE manufacturers build cars so you can whip off a panel or a bumper whereas Tesla's parts tend to be huge and all encompassing.

So Tesla didn't think it through properly, Wow I thought Musk was a genius, oh wait he isn't

 

[icowden]

So Tesla didn't think it through properly, Wow I thought Musk was a genius, oh wait he isn't

They thought it through from the point of view of constructing the car. A lot of what they did is revolutionary. The unforeseen side effect is a high insurance group.

 

[DRM]

They thought it through from the point of view of constructing the car. A lot of what they did is revolutionary. The unforeseen side effect is a high insurance group.

And a car that will become a write off long before anybody elses brands. not that environmentally friendly if a small bump leads to it being scrapped

 

[icowden]

And a car that will become a write off long before anybody elses brands. not that environmentally friendly if a small bump leads to it being scrapped

Who said a small bump would lead to it being scrapped? It just costs more to fix is all. You *can* drive cars with dents in. In some countries (see France and Italy) it's a badge of honour.

 

[fossyant]

Who said a small bump would lead to it being scrapped? It just costs more to fix is all. You *can* drive cars with dents in. In some countries (see France and Italy) it's a badge of honour.

There seems to be an issue with concerns about battery safety after a crash, and many getting written off and just stored as we don't have the recycling capacity for the batteries.

 

[icowden]

There seems to be an issue with concerns about battery safety after a crash, and many getting written off and just stored as we don't have the recycling capacity for the batteries.

Yes, but that's not what is feeding the insurance cost. That's the same for all EVs. Tesla has higher insurance costs because of

• (a) speed (and allegedly incidence of people damaging them in the first 2 weeks of ownership)
• (b) Design and parts supply. Tesla use a lot of expensive stuff - aluminium instead of fibreglass, complex parts, single press parts that cover a swath of the car etc.
• (c) Thatcham don't like the whole smartphone and card instead of key setup.

https://www.electrifying.com/blog/knowledge-hub/why-do-teslas-cost-so-much-to-insure

If you've crashed hard enough to damage the battery the car is probably a write off anyway. Batteries being repurposed won't be from write offs unless they have been thoroughly tested and checked.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Yes, but that's not what is feeding the insurance cost. That's the same for all EVs. Tesla has higher insurance costs because of

• (a) speed (and allegedly incidence of people damaging them in the first 2 weeks of ownership)
• (b) Design and parts supply. Tesla use a lot of expensive stuff - aluminium instead of fibreglass, complex parts, single press parts that cover a swath of the car etc.
• (c) Thatcham don't like the whole smartphone and card instead of key setup.

https://www.electrifying.com/blog/knowledge-hub/why-do-teslas-cost-so-much-to-insure

If you've crashed hard enough to damage the battery the car is probably a write off anyway. Batteries being repurposed won't be from write offs unless they have been thoroughly tested and checked.

I suppose this is where your traditional car manufacturers have a slightly upper hand , they have been building cars for decades.
However insurance will probably go up for us all no doubt for the very reasons you give . We all I’ve to pay for everyone else’s mishaps !