Energy bill increases

[nickyboy]

Anyway lets get back on topic……so the naca mob dont destroy it.

Anyone else have ideas on reducing bills, other than a new kettle or 3

Who made you the King of the Energy Bills thread?

The issues resulting from what is happening to costs of energy are far greater than what appliance you should use

 

[jowwy]

Who made you the King of the Energy Bills thread?

The issues resulting from what is happening to costs of energy are far greater than what appliance you should use

But this is not naca and we are trying not to make into a political debate…….or you can just carry on and get the thread locked and upsetting a lot of members who have tried to keep it unpolitical

your choice

 

[nickyboy]

But this is not naca and we are trying not to make into a political debate…….or you can just carry on and get the thread locked and upsetting a lot of members who have tried to keep it unpolitical

your choice

Biggest issue facing households and you want to distil it down to whether to buy a kettle or not

If you want a discussion on how to save money on energy, the key question is how bad is it going to be and for how long as this determines what lifestyle changes you make and what capital spend you may or may not invest into reducing energy consumption.

But sure, kettles, right?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Biggest issue facing households and you want to distil it down to whether to buy a kettle or not

If you want a discussion on how to save money on energy, the key question is how bad is it going to be and for how long as this determines what lifestyle changes you make and what capital spend you may or may not invest into reducing energy consumption.

But sure, kettles, right?

As stated if you want to go MP bashing on either side about the policies that they have or have not implemented all means do so over in the dark place, this thread is not about that, granted it does stray & bump along the ceiling but so far we've kept it sensible & I would request that you don't spoil it. In fact there you go that's another thread you could start over there, how we're getting it so wrong

 

[fossyant]

Anyway lets get back on topic……so the naca mob dont destroy it.

Anyone else have ideas on reducing bills, other than a new kettle or 3

Electrocute yourself on the current kettle so it's thrown in the bin ? Not replaced ours yet after I did that the other day. 😄

 

[jowwy]

Biggest issue facing households and you want to distil it down to whether to buy a kettle or not

If you want a discussion on how to save money on energy, the key question is how bad is it going to be and for how long as this determines what lifestyle changes you make and what capital spend you may or may not invest into reducing energy consumption.

But sure, kettles, right?

Theres also a solar discussion in the DIY thread too…….capital spend and investment in reducing energy consumption is in there. Fill your boots

 

[nickyboy]

As stated if you want to go MP bashing on either side about the policies that they have or have not implemented all means do so over in the dark place, this thread is not about that, granted it does stray & bump along the ceiling but so far we've kept it sensible & I would request that you don't spoil it. In fact there you go that's another thread you could start over there, how we're getting it so wrong

Please give me one example where I have been "MP bashing on either side" etc. Take a look at my posts, they are an attempt to improve the appreciation of (a) how bad its going to be (b) how long its going to be bad for. The issue is how does an average household find an extra £1,500 a year for the next, say, ten years? Or can they find a way, given we are talking 10 years, not 10 months, to reduce energy consumption in a way to offset the £1,500 per year? A new kettle isn't going to cut it I'm afraid

 

[Jameshow]

There isn't any, that's the problem, and it's not new.

Because there's such a large level of wealth inequality, we've had a situation for years in which the poor struggle to heat the home whilst the rich can afford to waste fuel, and you can't fix that with a single rate tariff where the 10,000th kWh costs the same as the 100th kWh, because attending to one problem exacerbates the other. What's needed is a progressive tariff so that it's affordable to use a sustainable amount of fuel, but cripplingly expensive to be profligate, but what we actually have is a regressive system, where the standing charge means a light user is paying proportionally more than a heavy user: the rich and profligate are subsidised by the poor and frugal. The price per kWh needs to rise in bands according to how much you're using, the same way income tax does, and the standing charge needs ditching.

Not to mention pre pay meters.....

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Please give me one example where I have been "MP bashing on either side" etc. Take a look at my posts, they are an attempt to improve the appreciation of (a) how bad its going to be (b) how long its going to be bad for. The issue is how does an average household find an extra £1,500 a year for the next, say, ten years? Or can they find a way, given we are talking 10 years, not 10 months, to reduce energy consumption in a way to offset the £1,500 per year? A new kettle isn't going to cut it I'm afraid

if you can't see what you're doing then unfortunately I'm not going to tell you, go discuss it in NACA

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Essentially roughly speaking £450k mortgage debt,

Omg! Your mortgage is almost as much as I will earn in a lifetime (40 years est) of work, and I'm no stranger to 12/14 hours shifts!

higher earners will be getting a £6-7k reduction in tax.....that will help with the mortgage

If I'd post my opinion on this, I'll have to ban myself

 

[pawl]

Getting to much like NACA for me

 

[nickyboy]

if you can't see what you're doing then unfortunately I'm not going to tell you, go discuss it in NACA

So that is a "no I can't" I guess

 

[Regular.Cyclist]

Omg! Your mortgage is almost as much as I will earn in a lifetime (40 years est) of work, and I'm no stranger to 12/14 hours shifts!

If I'd post my opinion on this, I'll have to ban myself

Unfortunately energy bill increases are only one factor, and on that people can, to a limited extent, do something about.

They are a lot of people who have large mortgages, often stretching themselves to get it, that are unprepared for the interest rate rises that are coming. It’s a perfect storm.

Those people will need to start shedding thing, subscriptions, memberships, etc, as well as looking for creative ways to reduce their energy consumption. They may get more help than those who really need it but that’s another topic in another forum.

 

[DCLane]

If I'd post my opinion on this, I'll have to ban myself

@Regular.Cyclist beat me to it ...

As a higher-rate taxpayer I can't see this happening, but it may play to those in the 40% bracket with big mortgages who are now feeling the pinch due to higher energy bills.

In terms of energy saving we've done what we can. Son no. 2 going to university, SWMBO now working five days a week (= increased commuting cost and a bought lunch) plus me back 4/5 days at work (again lunch cost) will reduce daytime energy use.

But ... the trade-off is more washing (work clothes rather than T-shirts, commuter cycling kit for me), travel to visit both sons - with bought dinner when we visit, my bike/SWMBO's car maintenance, etc., all of which balances decreased energy spend. I perceive it being cheaper once the current fixed rate we're on runs out in a year's time and we're hit with a 200% bill rise.

 

[PaulSB]

Please give me one example where I have been "MP bashing on either side" etc. Take a look at my posts, they are an attempt to improve the appreciation of (a) how bad its going to be (b) how long its going to be bad for. The issue is how does an average household find an extra £1,500 a year for the next, say, ten years? Or can they find a way, given we are talking 10 years, not 10 months, to reduce energy consumption in a way to offset the £1,500 per year? A new kettle isn't going to cut it I'm afraid

You are spot on with this. My household can fund, I deliberately avoid using "afford", the current increases from October 1st assuming the government does nothing and there is no change.

Aside from making what economies we can at home, which frankly won't make a big difference, we've started to budget our discretionary spending to cope with what is still to come. This energy cost crisis is not going away in 12 months but will be with us for 5-10 years. We're budgeting discretionary spending now in preparation for the future. It is far better to be proactive than reactive.

As an example, and to the amusement of some, I've slashed my cycle cafe spend. I now carry all the food I need and restrict myself to coffee, occasionally with tea cake, when we stop. This is a saving of £750/800pa. On a big ride, 100+ miles, I will have beans on toast as I have health issues which make it essential I eat.

Such choices have a much wider impact than my own budget which is what makes the issue so critical for our government to get right.