Electric car ownership

[Milkfloat]

Gadzooks! That's £2.48 per journey - that's ridiculous! How far does she travel?

I lied, it is £243. 11 miles each way, hopefully she can ride when older.

 

[nickyboy]

That's just saying that all the change will have to come from one side though. People really will eventually have to look more closely at why they need to make journeys of 80 miles, whether they need to make those journeys at all, and/or whether they can make them in a different way. The idea that we can all just go on as we have been, and technology will facilitate that, is not nearly progressive enough to address the problems that general access to individual modes of transport have caused over time, for all of us.

The fact that large increases in taxation on petrol and diesel has had precious little effect on car driving should tell you that the relationship between cars and the population is not an entirely rational one

Sure, there should be change in our expectations of "reasonable" mobility. But what electric vehicles offer at present is woefully short of what petrol/diesel equivalents offer. Electric technology needs to up its game if the nirvana of mass adoption is to become a reality

 

[MarkF]

That's just saying that all the change will have to come from one side though. People really will eventually have to look more closely at why they need to make journeys of 80 miles, whether they need to make those journeys at all, and/or whether they can make them in a different way. The idea that we can all just go on as we have been, and technology will facilitate that, is not nearly progressive enough to address the problems that general access to individual modes of transport have caused over time, for all of us.

Mass adoption of electric cars is not nirvana though. Nirvana is fewer cars of all types.

All this, an electric car is a still an over sized and over priced metal box with just an alternative (better) method of propulsion. It's not doing anything to speed up journeys or free up cities or make journeys safer for everybody.

As an aside I have 3 children 17-24, car ownership doesn't interest them, the insurance costs are prohibitive, so they share with friends and get taxis everywhere, that's normal. In the future I expect them to use car pools, I'd be amazed if they ever wanted to purchase a car, it's insurance not environmental concerns that have changed kids.

Public & shared transport and electric scooters are the way to go.

 

[MarkF]

@KneesUp
Surely the point is that your 10 year old car had an environmental impact when it was first manufactured , just the same a sany vehicle really, electric cars, motorbikes, ships, planes.....

The issue here is that , hopefully, moving more to renewable energy sources, solar, wind, turbine, then the electric car is better for the environment.

The problem with all internal combustion engine vehicles is that not only does it have an impact on the environment when manufactured,( like an electric car), but it relies on fossil fuels being dug out of the ground and then burnt into the environment.

The environmental impact is high.

Emissions into the atmosphere, carbon deposits in populated and congestion areas , and the noise pollution from the vehicles themselves.

We need to change alot of things, fossil fuels are disappearing fast.

But my scooter was made in 1962, my "new" car in 1992, so I'd suggest in this throw away world that their environmental impact might be very small indeed.

 

[nickyboy]

Mass adoption of electric cars is not nirvana though. Nirvana is fewer cars of all types.

Instead of picking little holes in what I said, why not address the issues?

 

[albion]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion/2024/08/137_380415.html

Seems very very premature to suddenly ban one manufacturer.
Disclosure of course is important, especially so for the consumer.

 

[Andy in Germany]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion/2024/08/137_380415.html

Seems very very premature to suddenly ban one manufacturer.
Disclosure of course is important, especially so for the consumer.

Unfortunately German manufacturers have "form" when it comes to ignoring government regulations.

 

[Cavalol]

So you'd buy a petrol/diesel car, belch out pollutants all year round solely for the odd occasion you go to Brighton to beat up some mods? These are excuses, not genuine, insurmountable objections. Will we be still be hearing the same excuses when the sea reclaims your house, or when a loved one falls Ill with chronic respiratory issues, or you cant afford to by food because global warming has cause crop failures?

Mustard Mitt to steadfastly refusing to get an EV because of long journey concerns. It then dawned on me that we (our family) would be lucky if that 'problem' was once a year, twice at the very most if going on holiday. Having now bought one it's fantastic, and the charging times (as someone else has said) are effectively not noticeable if done at night, and it's also much cheaper then.

I do have petrol/diesel vehicles so it's a bit hypocritical to say this, but when you're on a cycle or motorbike and some clown in their diesel fuming vehicles boots it past you, it's not at all nice.