E-scooters to be allowed on public roads

[classic33]

Because that is what the law says.

It isn't anybody here arguing about the physics, or how it should be measured. It is about how the law defines it. Which, as often with laws, is not necessarily the same as the average man in the street (or physicist!) would define it.

The law say that electric vehicles are treated different?

Constant maximum output, as per the EPAC regulations is defined in the same regulations "as the power output allowed when in use". Not as you have tried to say over a thirty minute period.

As for testing, roadside dyno, as used in parts of Ireland. Question that result and you take it to a testing station, at your own expense, to prove it's legal.

 

[Alex321]

The law say that electric vehicles are treated different?

Constant maximum output, as per the EPAC regulations is defined in the same regulations "as the power output allowed when in use". Not as you have tried to say over a thirty minute period.

Nothing to do with "as I have tried to say". It is what the law says.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1983/1168/made
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/24/made

"5.—(1) For the purposes of regulation 4(c)(i), “maximum continuous rated power” has the same meaning as in Regulation (EU) No 168/2013(4) of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15th January 2013 on the approval and market surveillance of two- or three-wheel vehicles and quadricycles(5)."

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2013:060:0052:0128:en:PDF

Which in turn references
https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/2013/R085r1e.pdf

Which on the first page says (my bold):
"Uniform provisions concerning the approval of internal combustion engines or electric drive trains intended for the propulsion of motor vehicles of categories M and N with regard to the measurement of net power and the maximum 30 minutes power of electric drive trains"

As for testing, roadside dyno, as used in parts of Ireland. Question that result and you take it to a testing station, at your own expense, to prove it's legal.

The law in Northern Ireland is often different to the rest of the UK, and in Ireland is different again.

 

[lazybloke]

I don't even want an ebike, especially after reading this thread.

Wait, it's supposed to be about escooters

 

[classic33]

I don't even want an ebike, especially after reading this thread.

Wait, it's supposed to be about escooters

And you can't legally use one unless it's from one of the companies currently involved in any of the hire schemes. No use buying your own.

 

[Dogtrousers]

I've just realised which thread this is. We're all way off topic. It doesn't really matter what the peak/ continuous/ average/ mean/ mode/ median/ best-of-three power of an e-scooter is. It's an e-scooter, and it's not legal (unless in one of the trials).

 

[Drago]

I don't even want an ebike, especially after reading this thread.

Wait, it's supposed to be about escooters

Liking the new sig there Mr Bloke.

 

[Bristolian]

I wouldn't bother leaving comments, your email will end up on someone's mailing list.

It's not like it isn't on hundreds of mailing lists already; one more (or hundreds) won't matter.

 

[Supersuperleeds]

 

[Drago]

I threw one in a hedge today, a trial scooter left blocking the footway. It was a liberating experience.

 

[StuartG]

This is all bullshit. You are either trying to stay within the law which in practice means 250w is quoted in some context or you are using a a 1kw motor without pedal detection or 15.5 mph limiter. There's not much in between. Unless you have upset plod so much they need anything to nail you I don't see the problem.

There are so many blantantly riding grossly illegal bikes to worry about the police bothering about technical breaches.

 

[Drago]

All breaches are technical.

Vehicles are either complaint. Or they are not. It's a binary affair with no shades of its-sort-of-OK in between.

The problem with the Great British public is that given the chance to pinch an inch they typically take a mile. The law, the enforcement authorities, and us as a user group should be promoting a line of strict compliance, not one of "make it up as you go along and if you don't extract the pith too badly it's fine."