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jarlrmai
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There are already Teslas with 'autopilot' hands off driving on the roads, it was rolled out as a software update also already people dying because the software/sensors is not perfect and people can't or didn't stay in control enough.
https://electrek.co/2016/07/01/understanding-fatal-tesla-accident-autopilot-nhtsa-probe/
https://electrek.co/2016/07/01/understanding-fatal-tesla-accident-autopilot-nhtsa-probe/
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
One person has died. The injury and fatality rates for computer controlled cars in the real world are significantly lower than for human controlled cars.
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[QUOTE 4708912, member: 9609"]I was meaning more the full autonomous, I had thought it was going through parliament this month, but a quick google shows that something got passed on 22nd feb, not really sure what it is though ? not sure the diff between full autonomous, a bloke sitting behind the wheel ready to take control and ACC / AEBS / lane departure bollocks.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...cle-insurance-and-electric-car-infrastructure
I thought all manner of laws would need changed as the driver is no longer going to be responsible.[/QUOTE]
This website explains some of the situation that's developing: http://www.thatcham.org/car-safety/driver-assistance/autonomous-driving/
The UK government is fully committed to being a world leader in automated vehicles and is supporting several trial programs across the country. There is a legal framework to change, which is complicated as it involves UN and international agreements. However, you have been able to buy cars from mainstream manufacturers (not just Tesla) that have some autonomous capabilities for a while.
Some human beings like to push boundaries so it might be a bit naïve to expect that the limits of the systems might not get explored beyond what the manufacturer claims they are capable of in the handbook.
If a car can "drive" itself on a motorway - stay in lane, maintain a steady speed, adjust that speed relative to traffic in front of it and if that tech isn't geo-fenced to only be available on the motorway, what's to stop it being activated by the driver on a dual carriageway, even if the small print says not to? Or a single carriageway road? Or a road through a town centre?
And what if the car decides it can't cope with a rapidly developing scenario while travelling at 70mph and hands back control to the driver who is supposed to be constantly monitoring it (and who remains legally responsible for the vehicle), but who is sat playing on his phone (for example)? Will that driver be able to assess the situation and resolve it in the 10 seconds or so available?
The thing to remember is that despite the hype and the marketing, we're currently at the stage of driver assistance systems.
It will be a few years yet until fully autonomous cars are available to buy and a long time after that before they are the majority of cars on the roads..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...cle-insurance-and-electric-car-infrastructure
I thought all manner of laws would need changed as the driver is no longer going to be responsible.[/QUOTE]
This website explains some of the situation that's developing: http://www.thatcham.org/car-safety/driver-assistance/autonomous-driving/
The UK government is fully committed to being a world leader in automated vehicles and is supporting several trial programs across the country. There is a legal framework to change, which is complicated as it involves UN and international agreements. However, you have been able to buy cars from mainstream manufacturers (not just Tesla) that have some autonomous capabilities for a while.
Some human beings like to push boundaries so it might be a bit naïve to expect that the limits of the systems might not get explored beyond what the manufacturer claims they are capable of in the handbook.
If a car can "drive" itself on a motorway - stay in lane, maintain a steady speed, adjust that speed relative to traffic in front of it and if that tech isn't geo-fenced to only be available on the motorway, what's to stop it being activated by the driver on a dual carriageway, even if the small print says not to? Or a single carriageway road? Or a road through a town centre?
And what if the car decides it can't cope with a rapidly developing scenario while travelling at 70mph and hands back control to the driver who is supposed to be constantly monitoring it (and who remains legally responsible for the vehicle), but who is sat playing on his phone (for example)? Will that driver be able to assess the situation and resolve it in the 10 seconds or so available?
The thing to remember is that despite the hype and the marketing, we're currently at the stage of driver assistance systems.
It will be a few years yet until fully autonomous cars are available to buy and a long time after that before they are the majority of cars on the roads..
Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn is no fan of cyclists. Introducing a concept driverless car he told CBNC that the arrival of the technology could be delayed by pesky cyclists who, he said, "don't respect any rules usually."
P£n1$...That's most,not all.
P£n1$...That's most,not all.
Bazzer
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From the same article:
The car is confused by [cyclists] because from time-to-time they behave like pedestrians and from time-to-time they behave like cars."
So WTF is car behaviour? Is this the HIghway Code (or European equivalents) driver, or the tossers liberally sprinkled around the road infrastructure.
The car is confused by [cyclists] because from time-to-time they behave like pedestrians and from time-to-time they behave like cars."
So WTF is car behaviour? Is this the HIghway Code (or European equivalents) driver, or the tossers liberally sprinkled around the road infrastructure.
Drago
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Whereas cars never behave like pedestrians by going up in the path...
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Ban the patient because the disease is too difficult to cure?
raleighnut
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FTFY
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The events that followed the autopilot handing back control of the aircraft to the pilots on Air France 447 would tend to suggest that @jarlrmai has a point...
There are considerable questions about the validity of those statistics quoted by Tesla. Tesla compares the accident rate of their "autopilot" (it really isn't) with the overall US accident rate for all roads. But the autopilot is used on the safest roads, so this significantly skews the data in Tesla's favour. Which makes me wonder what biases Google might be failiing to take into account. And then there's the issue that accidents are actually a rather rare event, so it will take far more data before we have reliable statistics. I think it's too early to make any meaningful judgements (echoes of Another Thread here, aren't there?).
Actually, the Tesla "autopilot" and aircraft automation combine the worst of both worlds: most of the time the human operator does nothing, but still needs to maintain complete situational awareness, so that when the automation says "I give up, get me out of here" they can seamlessly take over. That's something humans aren't really good at. It takes time, even if you've been paying attention, to get up to speed so as to decide what the appropriate actions are. Of course, after hours of inactivity, attention is something that is likely to be at a premium.... (which takes us back to AF447).
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Mind you, some chap in America had a heart attack and his Tesla drove him to hospital quite safely without human intervention.
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