But failing that, the law will do just as well....
Crikey. Even in Communist East Europe group riding was allowed.
You, my friend, have the makings of something special
Doubling Up On Road
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But failing that, the law will do just as well....
Crikey. Even in Communist East Europe group riding was allowed.
You, my friend, have the makings of something special
Yes they should but many of them don't and when that happens the risk to the cyclists is much much greater than to the motorist in their steel protective cage. So the responsibility then unfortunately falls on the cyclist to guarantee their own safety and not rely on motorist doing what they should do but don't.
freecyclist
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But failing that, the law will do just as well....
Crikey. Even in Communist East Europe group riding was allowed.
You, my friend, have the makings of something special
Comminism isnt necessarily bad. Look at calcutta / east bengal the oldest communist regime in existance , mother teresa rip got on ok. Look at china cant be doing so badly if the west is having to go borrowing from them as our economy goes belly up.
The more i think of it things would be much improved if all road users adopted a more communal attitude.
So comrade i am inclined to think it might be beneficial for social cohesion to discourage large gangs of cyclists.
What difference does it make to the cyclist in going out a 2 groups of 6 rather than one group of 12 ?
Two overtakes instead of one is not necessarily easier or safer. A group of 12 is easier to pass then your average Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda lorry. Remember most of us drive too. You sir, are fixated and total lack of support suggests your view is unsupported and hence might possibly be in more error than those whom you rubbish. You have presented a weak case and not too intelligently. You have a way to go in the discreet art of persuasion.
And like several others before me I think it a waste of time to continue. Blame us if you want, but ...
the other thing to bear in mind is that streets and roads are not just about getting from A to B. They're public space. Space to meet, greet and get to know one another. Space to enjoy the view. Space to listen to birdsong and the thrum of city life.
If everywhere is on the way to somewhere else, where is there left to go?
If everywhere is on the way to somewhere else, where is there left to go?
akb
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Ref: Overtaking.
My route is majority of fast back single lane roads. I tend to take primary a lot of the time due to the poor state of repair of the road / pot holes / glass in the gutter etc.
The only way for a car to over take me is to use the oncoming lane, so I expect to be treated the same as if they were over taking a car, giving me just as enough room.
If they are unable to over take, I know now the best secondary riding places to give the overtaker a bit more room to make the manouver. So I dont expect a full 'oncoming-lane' over take.
I guess it depends on the road situation and being assertive of your surroundings as a a rider and as a driver.
My route is majority of fast back single lane roads. I tend to take primary a lot of the time due to the poor state of repair of the road / pot holes / glass in the gutter etc.
The only way for a car to over take me is to use the oncoming lane, so I expect to be treated the same as if they were over taking a car, giving me just as enough room.
If they are unable to over take, I know now the best secondary riding places to give the overtaker a bit more room to make the manouver. So I dont expect a full 'oncoming-lane' over take.
I guess it depends on the road situation and being assertive of your surroundings as a a rider and as a driver.
MissTillyFlop
Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.
Isn't this just another thing where common sense dependent on the particular circumstances should prevail, and cannot possibly be solved by a discussion in a forum as the variables of the situation are too wide to conquer here?
akb
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Quite. And in view of this, we positively owe it to ourselves and our companions to ride two abreast more often, not less. Singling up unnecessarily is a craven capitulation to the ideology of transportation, a feeble-minded dereliction of civic duty.
freecyclist
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Whether there are 6 or 12 cyclists in a group on the road makes very little difference to any road user.
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What qualifies you to speak on behalf of all road users ?
Whether there are 6 or 12 cyclists in a group on the road makes very little difference to any road user.
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What qualifies you to speak on behalf of all road users ?
freecyclist
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I am pro cycling more than anyone. However i do not subscribe to your mindset that any concesion or accomodation of other road users should be automatically dismissed and regarded as a sign of weakness. All ideas that benefit the overall mutual harmonious use of the roads i think are worthy of considerartion.
But i will put you down in the intransigently selfish cycling fanatic camp.
Obviously this being a cycling forum i expect a fair quota of cycling militants who will just knee jerk disagree - that dosnt necessarily make me wrong.
400bhp
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And you'd be as wrong as it's possible to be. But that hasn't stopped you so far...
MrHappyCyclist
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This is a really important point. People who ride in the gutter and in the door zones of parked cars, filter always on the left and generally fail to assert their right to be on the road just reinforce the belief in motorists that the roads are for motor vehicles and cyclist are just intruders to be tolerated (or not).
Having said that, I can understand why some people who are not naturally assertive or aren't confident riders would ride like that, given that this attitude does exist among a significant number of motorists.
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