Killjoy.
Doubling Up On Road
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Killjoy.
Oh there have been quite a few places along the way
Nothing much shocks me, culturally or otherwise
freecyclist
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Ok so is the accepted forum viewpoint . 2 abreast by default and f other road users weve had enough and are not going to make concessions. ?
SavageHoutkop
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Ah well, my tuppence...
I have recently been hooted at by a passing Smart car (of all things!) because, I presume, my husband & I were cycling 2 abreast on a residential street inside our own lane.
There was no oncoming traffic. And, I might add, I was preparing to turn right so I hold strong primary there in any case.
Some motorists will be irrationally upset at the very sight of a cyclist, nevermind 2 abreast! This is similar to the RLJ debate, some drivers are probably livid about it, others couldn't care. Unfortunately we need to deal with irrational motorists as well as well-balanced individuals.
On the other side, if the road is busy with fast moving cars and cycling 2 abreast clearly inconveniences all the cars; it's only polite to move over.
Different roads, conditions and driver behaviour should all come into the discussion.
I have recently been hooted at by a passing Smart car (of all things!) because, I presume, my husband & I were cycling 2 abreast on a residential street inside our own lane.
There was no oncoming traffic. And, I might add, I was preparing to turn right so I hold strong primary there in any case.
Some motorists will be irrationally upset at the very sight of a cyclist, nevermind 2 abreast! This is similar to the RLJ debate, some drivers are probably livid about it, others couldn't care. Unfortunately we need to deal with irrational motorists as well as well-balanced individuals.
On the other side, if the road is busy with fast moving cars and cycling 2 abreast clearly inconveniences all the cars; it's only polite to move over.
Different roads, conditions and driver behaviour should all come into the discussion.
freecyclist
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Attitude. That's all. 1 or 2 abreast, you should give them the same passing distance, but you're better off with 2 abreast as it's a shorter pass.
It's your attitude which needs to change to make you better.
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Can the be a bit more specific what is wrong iyo about my attitude and how you think it needs to change.
Attitude. That's all. 1 or 2 abreast, you should give them the same passing distance, but you're better off with 2 abreast as it's a shorter pass.
It's your attitude which needs to change to make you better.
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Can the be a bit more specific what is wrong iyo about my attitude and how you think it needs to change.
Origamist
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Every groupride I have been on (club or recreational) is predicated on mutual understanding and cooperation with all road users - this will sometimes mean riding in single file and sometimes riding two abreast. The road and traffic conditions dictate the groups' lateral position - this often happens organically (with experienced riders) or through a serious of calls/gestures. In these situations, groups of cyclists move in a shoaling/schooling manner - this is for reasons of aerodynamics and more importantly, safety. Sometimes this means motorists will be delayed, but incovenience should never trump safety. When the safety of a group of cyclists is not compromised, facilitating the progress of other road users is a given.
I think the accepted forum viewpoint is that you should only overtake when it is safe to do so. You seem to have trouble with this.
Honestly, you need to move away from this us and them notion. Most of us both cycle and drive. We can judge for ourselves what works and what doesn't. Taking assertive ownership of the road is an underlying principle of roadcraft. Not just cycling. It is taught in advanced driving courses too. As is anticipation of what is about to happen next. And tolerance of vulnerable road users.
It seems to me that you are just looking to be in perma-opposition.
Take a reality check. I have spent hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours over my lifetime sitting in stationary traffic. Never has this been due to cyclists riding two abreast. A problem that needs solving? I don't think so.
freecyclist
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I suspect we all do.
freecyclist
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Yes i can see that is a valid viewpoint. But i still question the desirability of having very large groups of cyclists on public roads. Problems - both real and perceived.
Which would confirm your comprehension and reading ability is only surpassed by your punctuation. Next?
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
The accepted forum viewpoint from this corner of the forum is that you have a bizarre bee in your bonnet. 52 posts in total, the majority of them on this single thread, without apparently taking in what anyone else is saying.
There's a five-letter word beginning with "T" that I'm struggling to remember.
MissTillyFlop
Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.
freecyclist
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No thats a gimme.
I regret your attitude of f other road users ive had enough and im not going to make concessions. ?
Mutually harmonious road use is based on everyone making concessions and considering others.
If everyone had your attitude it would not be good.
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