Doubling Up On Road

[gaz]

Don't get doored, don't get left hooked and don't get passed when it puts you at risk.

 

[Andy84]

Sorry if ive got the wrong idea of you but it seems like your saying you want to make it as difficult for anyone to get past you whether you are riding solo or in a group.
Are you saying that cars should only overtake any cyclist if they were able to overtake a car in the same position ?

No I've only been talking about group riding, If I was just riding along with one other person then I would drop back in to single file.
I would say though, that cars should should only overtake if it is safe to do so.

 

[freecyclist]

No I've only been talking about group riding, If I was just riding along with one other person then I would drop back in to single file.
I would say though, that cars should should only overtake if it is safe to do so.

Ok. Well maybe its the nature of the beast that groups are just inherantly a difficult obstacle for cars to navigate. If its safety motivated then i can see the cyclists pov , but i can also see the motorists pov . Maybe large groups should be discouraged. Wheres the need to be in groups above 6 or 8. It seems to me that large groups are detrimental to the public image of cycling , they clearly have inherant problems associated with size and present a public nuisance akin to cycling hooliganism.

 

[dellzeqq]

Ok. Well maybe its the nature of the beast that groups are just inherantly a difficult obstacle for cars to navigate. If its safety motivated then i can see the cyclists pov , but i can also see the motorists pov . Maybe large groups should be discouraged. Wheres the need to be in groups above 6 or 8. It seems to me that large groups are detrimental to the public image of cycling , they clearly have inherant problems associated with size and present a public nuisance akin to cycling hooliganism.

I think we're being wound up here......

 

[StuartG]

Maybe large groups should be discouraged. Wheres the need to be in groups above 6 or 8. It seems to me that large groups are detrimental to the public image of cycling , they clearly have inherant problems associated with size and present a public nuisance akin to cycling hooliganism.

Every other vehicle or bike on the road is a public nuisance to me whether I'm cycling or driving. As a motorist it is other motorists who really hold me back. Sadly there's not enough cyclists to significantly delay my journeys whether they are riding en peloton or singly.

You should be prepared to accept that the vulnerable cyclists should whenever possible seek to minimise risk even if its upsets a following driver. Remember a collision would upset the driver more.

 

[freecyclist]

I think we're being wound up here......

Rather than address the issue you prefer to say its a wind up.
It is clear that large groups comprise a public nuisance. I cant really see the attraction to the cyclists in forming big groups or any justification in allowing the continued nuisance.
If the organisers took the problems seriously then maybe id think differently but given the apparent devil may care attitude im not convinced that these large groups are a good idea.

 

[dellzeqq]

any thoughts on gay marriage, while you're in the mood?

 

[freecyclist]

Every other vehicle or bike on the road is a public nuisance to me whether I'm cycling or driving. As a motorist it is other motorists who really hold me back. Sadly there's not enough cyclists to significantly delay my journeys whether they are riding en peloton or singly.

You should be prepared to accept that the vulnerable cyclists should whenever possible seek to minimise risk even if its upsets a following driver. Remember a collision would upset the driver more.

Yes i agree. But i still have concerns over the wisdom on large groups on public roads - from a number of perspectives , including safety.

 

[freecyclist]

any thoughts on gay marriage, while you're in the mood?

No sorry im not interested. Your barking up the wrong tree completely there with me im afraid.
You seem to have alot of admirers on here though so im sure you'l find somebody.

 

[StuartG]

But i still have concerns over the wisdom on large groups on public roads.

Absolutely. Let's enact a law that no more than 6 or 8 cars be allowed to queue in one place at one time. Now that would solve a lot of problems.

I guess you are against 6 or 8 people gathering to demonstrate on a street too. This man would agree with you:

 

[totallyfixed]

Well now Freecyclist I have been leading club rides for a very long time and after reading your posts I have just about reached the conclusion [and I agree totally with Del and Andy] that either:
A. You are clueless
B. Have never ridden in an organised bunch ride.
C. Troll.
D. All of the above.

If just A or/and B please take heed of those with experience.

 

[freecyclist]

Well now Freecyclist I have been leading club rides for a very long time and after reading your posts I have just about reached the conclusion [and I agree totally with Del and Andy] that either:
A. You are clueless
B. Have never ridden in an organised bunch ride.
C. Troll.
D. All of the above.

If just A or/and B please take heed of those with experience.

You clearly have a closed mind on the subject and are unwilling to even consider the possibility that there could be issues with large groups. Your unreceptiveness to other ideas that are contrary to your own is disappointing but not a surprise.
You are not clueless, you are in the category : ive lead a few club rides so i know it all and wont listen to anybody that dosnt agree with me. Carry on.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

This does feel an artificial conversation. I regularly ride with a group and we have not even had need to discuss when we ride single file or two abreast.

Basically if there is enough room to overtake then riding two abreast halves the overtaking distance and is hence best for the motorist, safest for us and doesn't disturb our chat. When there is not then a call of 'car up' from the backrider melts the group into single file creating enough space for the overtake. If single file would be too tight an overtake the back rider stays silent and the two abreast blocks a dangerous overtake.

Simples.

As for questioning Del's ability to manage a ride. Well freecyclist I think you are speaking from a distinct position of ignorance. I don't think I'd rather have anyone else in front, behind or at the side. No one I know does more to intelligently minimise risk at great personal cost. And i don't think you will find anyone who has done a FNRttC who would say different. Check any FNRttC thread on the Informal Ride section of CC immediately following the ride. Or do one yourself. You will learn a lot ...

+1*

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Rather than address the issue you prefer to say its a wind up.
It is clear that large groups comprise a public nuisance. I cant really see the attraction to the cyclists in forming big groups or any justification in allowing the continued nuisance.
If the organisers took the problems seriously then maybe id think differently but given the apparent devil may care attitude im not convinced that these large groups are a good idea.

In two posts you have gone from " well maybe it's..." to "It is clear..." but without adding anything else to your argument. Is this some new sort of inflation we should be warned against?

 

[freecyclist]

Absolutely. Let's enact a law that no more than 6 or 8 cars be allowed to queue in one place at one time. Now that would solve a lot of problems.

I guess you are against 6 or 8 people gathering to demonstrate on a street too. This man would agree with you:

Id rather cyclists and organisers took the initiative in taking responsibility for tackling the problem themselves.