Doping in other sports

[oldroadman]

Naive question (to which there is probably no simple answer):
With blood vector doping, like transfusions or EPO I'm guessing the body will eventually wash the stuff out so the dope needs to be maintained in the body to be effective. Is this also true of bulking-up? Could a player go on a doped training binge to illegally build bulk and then cut out the dope and maintain that bulk fully legally?

That's what the peddlers of illegally used substances would have you believe. The theory is that the stuff lets you train harder with bigger and bigger weights and build the muscle bulk. Then add in lots of (legal) protein supplements which you can buy in any "health" food store and even more muscle results, etc., etc. It appears that the use of illegals helps build bulk faster and probably considerably more than would be possible by simple training and proteins. Take a look (but not for too long, it ain't nice) at the "natural" bodybuilders and then the unregulated ones, see the difference.
The use of blood manipulation can have similar "training" effects. It's all too unpleasant to contemplate, really.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

More from Kimmage on rugby
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...creates-bigger-need-for-answers-30785080.html

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Sam Chalmers (mentioned near the end of the above article) plays for the club I watch, Melrose, and his brother, Ben, is currently on a 2 year contract in France - which, given Kimmage's article last week, does not fill me with confidence that he'll get good advice and support; but hopefully he'll learn from his brother's mistakes.

 

[psmiffy]

Doping: 99% of Russian athletes guilty, German TV alleges

 

[Ganymede]

Doping: 99% of Russian athletes guilty, German TV alleges

Chuffing heck.

 

[rich p]

Chuffing heck.

Grim reading although I don't think it's confined to Russia by any means.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I'm sure this will just be dismissed by Putin as more EU anti-Russian shoot-stirring. German-Russian relations are not exactly at an all-time high right now...

 

[themosquitoking]

99% does seem like a very high number. It's not even doing them any good, we beat them at the last olympics.

 

[400bhp]

Does it surprise me. Probably no

I think athletics stinks to high heaven. I can't believe Gatlin is still running.

Risk vs reward. Low risk of being caught x short ban if caught. Reward is hardly affected by a ban. 2 year ban is a feckin joke.

 

[thom]

99% does seem like a very high number. It's not even doing them any good, we beat them at the last olympics.

I know what you mean but actually nobody did better than Russia at the last Olympics, which were in Sochi...

(don't take the following personally, it reflects more on me rather than anything else)
<pedant>
99% is a high percentage but not a high number. It ain't really as big as 1, which, when you think about it, is clear it is a pretty special number but not really one of the high numbers...
</pedant>

 

[oldroadman]

Doping: 99% of Russian athletes guilty, German TV alleges

Was this reported in one of the German papers that would make the Sun look like an intellectual masterpiece, gathered from a TV channel with the same level of credibility? They so easily forget about their own East German history in that department.

 

[Ganymede]

I know what you mean but actually nobody did better than Russia at the last Olympics, which were in Sochi...

(don't take the following personally, it reflects more on me rather than anything else)
<pedant>
99% is a high percentage but not a high number. It ain't really as big as 1, which, when you think about it, is clear it is a pretty special number but not really one of the high numbers...
</pedant>

But when the number 1 is not a singular unit but represents "all the Olympic athletes in the country", it is qualitatively a large number. Do admit.

 

[thom]

But when the number 1 is not a singular unit but represents "all the Olympic athletes in the country", it is qualitatively a large number. Do admit.

grrrrrr

 

[Ganymede]

grrrrrr

Heh heh.

 

[HF2300]

I know what you mean but actually nobody did better than Russia at the last Olympics, which were in Sochi...

(don't take the following personally, it reflects more on me rather than anything else)
<pedant>
99% is a high percentage but not a high number. It ain't really as big as 1, which, when you think about it, is clear it is a pretty special number but not really one of the high numbers...
</pedant>

Surely whether the number is high or not depends on the level of doping?...