Doping in other sports

[resal]

I don't think the JTL excuse was randomly chosen for ridiculousness. I believe it was chosen for effect, it deliberately mimicked Floyd's "couple of shots of whiskey after the stage" rubbish.

I believe it was a statement that he put out attempting to secure a future in the sport, post ban. "Don't treat me like Floyd was treated, otherwise I will spill the beans like Floyd." I think he probably is quite upset with the way he is being treated and thinks he should be treated better and is now blabbing a little to try and up the stakes. However, I don't believe he has a great deal on anyone. He will have information from Herety that will link back to Sutton, but as you say, Brailsford has cut ties between Sky and Sutton so there will be little leverage that JTL will be able to use there. Quite where the guy ends up is another soap opera, however whilst we know these snakes would sell their grandmother to the executioner, it was evidence from Floyd and Tyler that did for Lance. Lance liked Lance's evidence and gazzilions around the World much preferred the idea that Lance was correct and Tyler & Floyd were lying even though in their innermost beings they knew Lance was probably a lying scum-bag. So whilst JTL has no credibility, we would certainly be rash to dismiss all he says.

 

[rich p]

I believe it was a statement that he put out attempting to secure a future in the sport, post ban. "Don't treat me like Floyd was treated, otherwise I will spill the beans like Floyd." I think he probably is quite upset with the way he is being treated and thinks he should be treated better and is now blabbing a little to try and up the stakes

 

[smutchin]

 

[rich p]

I don't think the JTL excuse was randomly chosen for ridiculousness. I believe it was chosen for effect, it deliberately mimicked Floyd's "couple of shots of whiskey after the stage" rubbish.

I believe it was a statement that he put out attempting to secure a future in the sport, post ban. "Don't treat me like Floyd was treated, otherwise I will spill the beans like Floyd." I think he probably is quite upset with the way he is being treated and thinks he should be treated better and is now blabbing a little to try and up the stakes. However, I don't believe he has a great deal on anyone. He will have information from Herety that will link back to Sutton, but as you say, Brailsford has cut ties between Sky and Sutton so there will be little leverage that JTL will be able to use there. Quite where the guy ends up is another soap opera, however whilst we know these snakes would sell their grandmother to the executioner, it was evidence from Floyd and Tyler that did for Lance. Lance liked Lance's evidence and gazzilions around the World much preferred the idea that Lance was correct and Tyler & Floyd were lying even though in their innermost beings they knew Lance was probably a lying scum-bag. So whilst JTL has no credibility, we would certainly be rash to dismiss all he says.

I cba to answer your increasingly erratic posts but can I point out that 'doping in cycling' doesn't really satisfy the OP's thread title re 'Doping in other Sports'

 

[User32269]

Apparently curling is the only sport cannabis is considered performance enhancing.

 

[Ganymede]

The turf is increasingly being found out - http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/23/philip-fenton-guilty-anabolic-steroids

Betting has always been so important to horse racing, it's not that surprising. Are we just seeing more of a crack-down?

 

[rich p]

crack

I see what you did there!
It seems odd that it has taken 2 years for the case to get to a minor court in Ireland. Gradually other sports are very, very, slowly taking doping more seriously.
Helluva way to go though.

 

[Ganymede]

I see what you did there!
It seems odd that it has taken 2 years for the case to get to a minor court in Ireland. Gradually other sports are very, very, slowly taking doping more seriously.
Helluva way to go though.

Heh. They eat grass too...

Yes there is a long way to go - and I suspect horse racing is even more dependent on a doping culture than cycling has been.

 

[thom]

Horse racing...
The winner is the speediest importer of afghan heroin ?

 

[oldroadman]

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Heh. They eat grass too...

Yes there is a long way to go - and I suspect horse racing is even more dependent on a doping culture than cycling has been.

It's interesting that people around horse racing tend to refer to it as "the industry", which may or may not say a lot about the approach taken to sporting matters, such as the use of unauthorised products by both the riders, and the support staff when dealing with the animals.

 

[HF2300]

Sutton was Winn's Coach and managing the team when Winn tested positive in Guadelope. Winn came back to the UK and again tested positive in a warm up race to the National Champs. Both positives were treated as "one" as they were allowed to be. The contemporary excuse of choice favoured by many a doper at the time was "contaminated supplement". Sadly, many who used it at the time later tested positive again, however Winn was let off after such pressure was brought to bear by staff from BC on the WCU that caused one of the panel members hearing Winn's appeal to walk out and resign. Winn was let off and never tested positive again. The supplement he stated he was using was a slimming aid...

Well, that's one way of looking at it. Some of it even bears a distant resemblance to the truth.

 

[oldroadman]

It's difficult to see what is trying to be "proved" here. Plus it's all a long while back and how would anyone check? It all seems to be association accusations and assertions. Something more positive (no pun intended) would be good!

 

[resal]

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-80043751.html
HF2300 you won't be the only one that doesn't like what you read.

I am just pointing out that oldroadman's assertion that no British rider being coached by one of the BC staff members ever tested positive is wrong.

The choice of the female specific slimming aid as the supplement concerned was weird but of course it met the criteria of not being properly labelled.

Winn is a nephew of Doug Dailey MBE (services to cycling) and so the lay panel of the WCU were presented with swallow the account on Winn using a female slimming aid or ban their favourite son of the time, coached by star coach they had appointed - Shane and related to someone whose whole life was locked into the heartbeat of British Cycling.
The facts are that one of the WCU board members didn't like what he saw and heard.

 

[HF2300]

It's not a matter of liking or disliking what I read - if by that you mean that we readers don't like the genuine truth.

It is a matter of disliking what I read when said reading material is a very selective and slanted view of the truth designed to bolster your bias and assertions.

I suggest before leaping to conclusions which reinforce your ill informed, cynical and irrational viewpoint you research all the available information in the public domain and take an impartial view based on the evidence rather than basing your assumptions on second-hand copies of very sketchy articles from the Western Mail and Clinic gossip.

'Nuff said.

 

[resal]

It's not a matter of liking or disliking what I read - if by that you mean that we readers don't like the genuine truth.

It is a matter of disliking what I read when said reading material is a very selective and slanted view of the truth designed to bolster your bias and assertions.

I suggest before leaping to conclusions which reinforce your ill informed, cynical and irrational viewpoint you research all the available information in the public domain and take an impartial view based on the evidence rather than basing your assumptions on second-hand copies of very sketchy articles from the Western Mail and Clinic gossip.

'Nuff said.

You have no idea how amusing your post is to me.