Does God exist?

[simonali]

Is that the religion with free next day delivery and a free packet of sweeties?

I think you'll find it's a keyring now. It's shaped like a crucifix!

 

[Aperitif]

Is that the religion with free next day delivery and a free packet of sweeties?

Nope. Crackers and a bottle opener - sorry Noodley.

 

[Noodley]

A bottle opening keyring with a compartment for crackers (or is it the followers of wibble who are crackers.) God moves in mysterious ways...

What about the other sect: riggle.

riggle v's wibble

 

[Mr Pig]

why chose the particular book that you did to base your beliefs upon? There are many true words of many gods. What makes 'god A' so much more true than 'god B'? After all, the evidence for one is pretty much as good as any other.

That's just it. It isn't. Before I became a Christian I too believed that all religion was much the same, and all were nonsense and fables. I discovered that The Bible is different.

If you think about, if God did exist, and wanted to get a message to us, surely he would be able to design a way for us to sure it was from him? And that's what he's done. I had assumed The Bible was a fairy story but it is actually the most remarkable object on earth. God alone is in a position to reveal the future with 100% accuracy, and make sure no one else does likewise. The Bible contains hundreds of prophesies, many fulfilled and others lining up in the world right now. It is an integrated message system with codes in one place explained somewhere else.

The book of Revelation is unique in promising a blessing to anyone who takes it on, possibly because to unlock its codes you need to read the rest of The Bible!

You could say 'Yeah, but the guy who wrote it just made it look that way'. Then you find out that it was written by over forty different authors, living on three continents, in three different languages and over a period of eighteen hundred years! These facts are not disputed, even by non-Christian scholars. Despite the fact that many of these men had no knowledge of the others they produced a coherent, interlinked message free from error or contradiction.

When I tested these ideas myself it blew me away. The reason that I am a Christian is that I haven't the guts to bet that The Bible is wrong!

The problem with rejecting all information that comes from religious sources is that every time you look at the truth in a room full of lies you have to reject that too. The most amazing period in my life occurred when I decided to examine The Bible from the position that it was true. Not only does it explain how we got here it, explains where we are going and why world history is the way it is. Why is a tiny country called Israel so important? Why do the Arabs hate it so much? How and why will the Roman Empire regain power?

Of all times in human history today is perhaps the most exiting to be alive in, because we can look at the world and see the Word of God come true before our eyes. Is there a God? The answer is so clear and simple a child can see it. In our arrogance and 'wisdom' we squint and peer, like a man looking for an elephant through a telescope who sees only darkness because the creature is right in front of his face. You don't need to be clever to be sure there is a God. You just need to be prepared to listen for his voice.

 

[Noodley]

Can we have the "god is real" argument moved to "Politics and Life" please and leave the rest of us to dick about in cafe stylee?

Right, back to the big question:

Wibble or Riggle?

 

[Jaded]

It's rather sad, really.

 

[Noodley]

It's rather sad, really.

No it's not, it's a serious question:

wibble or riggle?

Commit yerself man, c'mon...

 

[bonj2]

That's just it. It isn't. Before I became a Christian I too believed that all religion was much the same, and all were nonsense and fables. I discovered that The Bible is different.

If you think about, if God did exist, and wanted to get a message to us, surely he would be able to design a way for us to sure it was from him? And that's what he's done. I had assumed The Bible was a fairy story but it is actually the most remarkable object on earth. God alone is in a position to reveal the future with 100% accuracy, and make sure no one else does likewise. The Bible contains hundreds of prophesies, many fulfilled and others lining up in the world right now. It is an integrated message system with codes in one place explained somewhere else.

The book of Revelation is unique in promising a blessing to anyone who takes it on, possibly because to unlock its codes you need to read the rest of The Bible!

You could say 'Yeah, but the guy who wrote it just made it look that way'. Then you find out that it was written by over forty different authors, living on three continents, in three different languages and over a period of eighteen hundred years! These facts are not disputed, even by non-Christian scholars. Despite the fact that many of these men had no knowledge of the others they produced a coherent, interlinked message free from error or contradiction.

When I tested these ideas myself it blew me away. The reason that I am a Christian is that I haven't the guts to bet that The Bible is wrong!

The problem with rejecting all information that comes from religious sources is that every time you look at the truth in a room full of lies you have to reject that too. The most amazing period in my life occurred when I decided to examine The Bible from the position that it was true. Not only does it explain how we got here it, explains where we are going and why world history is the way it is. Why is a tiny country called Israel so important? Why do the Arabs hate it so much? How and why will the Roman Empire regain power?

Of all times in human history today is perhaps the most exiting to be alive in, because we can look at the world and see the Word of God come true before our eyes. Is there a God? The answer is so clear and simple a child can see it. In our arrogance and 'wisdom' we squint and peer, like a man looking for an elephant through a telescope who sees only darkness because the creature is right in front of his face. You don't need to be clever to be sure there is a God. You just need to be prepared to listen for his voice.

But the bible IS wrong.

Leaving aside the fact that none of it makes even a modicum of sense, your logic that "IF god wanted to get a message to us, he would have done it through the bible - so therefore it MUST BE his message!" is absolutely ridiculous! Typical, religious, non-logical logic!
Surely that's no different to saying 'if God wanted to put his son on earth, then he would have probably chosen me, therefore I AM the son of god!"
or
"If anyone should go through this red light, then it should be me, therefore it's ok for me to do it."
Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! !

and to take your claim of the bible being able to predict the future, let's test it out shall we.
A challenge: Use your bible to tell me something that will happen to me or that I will do next week that I dont' already know about or am intending to do. If you can make this prediction, and you're right, and it's not ridiculously generc, like 'go to bed', 'get up', 'eat', 'read this forum', then i'll start to consider believing in god. Until you back up your claims, no chance.

 

[rich p]

That's just it. It isn't. Before I became a Christian I too believed that all religion was much the same, and all were nonsense and fables. I discovered that The Bible is different.

If you think about, if God did exist, and wanted to get a message to us, surely he would be able to design a way for us to sure it was from him? And that's what he's done. I had assumed The Bible was a fairy story but it is actually the most remarkable object on earth. God alone is in a position to reveal the future with 100% accuracy, and make sure no one else does likewise. The Bible contains hundreds of prophesies, many fulfilled and others lining up in the world right now. It is an integrated message system with codes in one place explained somewhere else.

The book of Revelation is unique in promising a blessing to anyone who takes it on, possibly because to unlock its codes you need to read the rest of The Bible!

You could say 'Yeah, but the guy who wrote it just made it look that way'. Then you find out that it was written by over forty different authors, living on three continents, in three different languages and over a period of eighteen hundred years! These facts are not disputed, even by non-Christian scholars. Despite the fact that many of these men had no knowledge of the others they produced a coherent, interlinked message free from error or contradiction.

When I tested these ideas myself it blew me away. The reason that I am a Christian is that I haven't the guts to bet that The Bible is wrong!

The problem with rejecting all information that comes from religious sources is that every time you look at the truth in a room full of lies you have to reject that too. The most amazing period in my life occurred when I decided to examine The Bible from the position that it was true. Not only does it explain how we got here it, explains where we are going and why world history is the way it is. Why is a tiny country called Israel so important? Why do the Arabs hate it so much? How and why will the Roman Empire regain power?

Of all times in human history today is perhaps the most exiting to be alive in, because we can look at the world and see the Word of God come true before our eyes. Is there a God? The answer is so clear and simple a child can see it. In our arrogance and 'wisdom' we squint and peer, like a man looking for an elephant through a telescope who sees only darkness because the creature is right in front of his face. You don't need to be clever to be sure there is a God. You just need to be prepared to listen for his voice.

Please don't take offence but did you ever have a bang on the head?

 

[Noodley]

Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

I know, it's a hard choice.
Maybe if I were to say I liked riggle. Would that help you make a choice?

 

[bonj2]

The book of Revelation is unique in promising a blessing to anyone who takes it on, possibly because to unlock its codes you need to read the rest of The Bible!

is that a euphemism for "I dont' understand it, but it sounds good" ?

 

[fossyant]

Erm...can't give a hoot about any of it....why....because it causes Wars (well religion and oil)...... always has done..etc bloody etc.......

Sorry but even from a Catholic that I was brought up as - there are too many idiots in this world - my philosophy - treat others as you would expect to be treated..that's it........

He might exist, in what ever religion you might be, but there are some real shoots on this planet, so it's not really worth getting too obsessed about it... get on that bike... and help the NHS out (assuming we don't get squashed)........

 

[Mr Pig]

Look, I didn't ask the original question! ;0)

I understand that there will always be people who do not believe in God, The Bible or anything. That's their choice and not my problem. The question was asked though, and as someone who absolutely believes that there 'is' a God I think I'm entitled to give my opinion.

You're free to dislike that opinion, again it's not my problem, and anyone reading this is free to decide what he or she wishes to take out of this debate, if anything. I still love you all anyway :0)

 

[fossyant]

It got out of control..... as it does !!!!

Any one fancy a bike ride............ catch me if you can (not in a gay way..... not that gay is a problem)

 

[Jaded]

No it's not, it's a serious question:

wibble or riggle?

Commit yerself man, c'mon...

Never wibble, on account of my credit card, you know...