Do they teach American language in Primary schools nowadays?

[Saluki]

When did "gotten" become English English as opposed to US English?

I hear it quite a lot now and it even appeared in some BBC LiveText reporting last night.

Yes - I'm sure "gotten" was used in Elizabethan times and exported to the US a few hundred years ago - but why has it come back?

And when did macaroni cheese become 'mac and cheese'?

Just curious .. and vaguely worried about what's happened to the English I was taught in the 1950s/60s.

We don’t gotten Mac & Cheese here. It’s macaroni cheese or starve in my house.
One of my colleagues routinely says ‘ what do you got?’ when I transfer a call to him. I am a bit of a cow and reply something like ‘who do I have or what have I got?’ I am Englush, live in England and learned English at English schools during the 60s and 70s.
While we are here, I am not good, I am well. Thanks for asking

 

[Saluki]

'Two times' instead of twice really gets to me. It's illogical that I get so upset about it, after all my Grandad, born before powered flight became a thing used thrice where I'd say three times.

I say thrice, a lot. Mostly as the embryos that I work with have no clue.

 

[Chris S]

Sounds like he is cleverly taking his maths learning and applying it to temperatures.

Shouldn't that be his 'math learning'?

 

[Jody]

What about 'can I get' - illiterate yobs yobs corrupting the English language. There's no hope.

Better than "gi mi a...."

 

[Juan Kog]

What about 'can I get' - illiterate yobs yobs corrupting the English language. There's no hope.

Glad I’m not the only one who finds it extremely irritating. Maybe in the future standing at a counter and saying “ can I have a ******* please ” will be considered very quaint and old fashioned.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Better than "gi mi a...."

But at least that's English.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

but I don't think it is anything to do with "illiterate"

Yes, that bit was tongue in cheek. I was carrying my thought process from another thread over in the other place. (This thread's a bit more civilised - so far anyway).

 

[Jody]

But at least that's English.

Barely

 

[mustang1]

So, are there any primary school teachers on here to advise on why they teach the American way?

Negative.

 

[a.twiddler]

Glad I’m not the only one who finds it extremely irritating. Maybe in the future standing at a counter and saying “ can I have a ******* please ” will be considered very quaint and old fashioned.

Well, there's no reason to swear at the person behind the counter. They're only doing their job.
Oh -I misinterpreted that one. If I pleaded guilty to that, it's infinitely better than if I pled guilty. Even the BBC has taken to using such Americanisms.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Even the BBC has taken to using such Americanisms.

The BBC's Americanisms annoy me a lot less than the other garbage they come up with. The latest bugbear for me being, every night after the main news we have to go to the 'nations and regions'.

 

[Alex321]

The BBC's Americanisms annoy me a lot less than the other garbage they come up with. The latest bugbear for me being, every night after the main news we have to go to the 'nations and regions'.

I take it you don't live in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland then?

When they go to the local news, those three are nations. The others are regions. How else would you like them to describe it?

 

[a.twiddler]

Makes sense to me.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

When they go to the local news, those three are nations. The others are regions. How else would you like them to describe it?

Local news? Not that it's ever particularly local.

 

[PK99]

Most Brits do not understand the American usage of "gotten" which is perfectly grammatical and self-consistent in American English

• ‘Got’ is used when referring to a state of owning or possessing something.
• ‘Gotten’ is used when referring to a process of ‘getting’ something.

I have got enough money for a cup of tea.
Vs
I have gotten enough money for a cup of tea.

Ill-gotten gains - in UK English refers to the process of acquisition, not the simple possession.