Deaths when not using helmet

[Little yellow Brompton]

im not sure low intensity is possible, but the amount of time you play, time between points etc is variable. If your not to that level as i say you can build up to it if this is the sport you wish to play. regardless it is good exercise for the right person

i dont have to research squash as i have no reason to have a knowledge of it

Let me just angle the mirror a bit more...

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

What bubble is that? i don't have, nor do i need a bubble. If you consider me having a belief a bubble and you in providing evidence is the prick then i will take your word for it as I'm not sure what you are aiming at

This evidence you refer too, where is it? I've seen evidence from others but don't recall any from you.

Really? You don't remember this?

You asked for evidence about hand injuries, ( I think you were just trying to prove a point, you weren't really interested) and I provided this.



Prevention of hand injuries in cycle accidents
Hems TE, Simpson H
Oxford 1992

They found that over 20% of cyclists presented to the EM dept at Radcliffe had hand injuiries. Their recomendation was better gloves and more use of them.


I then pointed out that when you asked for evidence it was provided, yet you don't seem to think you need to argue your corner with evidence, just beliefs , opinions, thoughts and impressions.

 

[jonesy]

Why does it not follow that we wouldn't run cars on fossil fuels if science got things right. Using a finite resource to fuel anything shows a blinkered viewpoint.

What is unscientific about the use of fossil fuels in cars? Is there a problem with the thermodynamics? Or the chemistry? The problem isn't scientific at all, it is about the decisions we make about the use of resources, the problems are political, social, economic; as demonstrated by your use of the word "blinkered", which isn't a statement about scientific validity.

 

[jonesy]

What bubble is that? i don't have, nor do i need a bubble. If you consider me having a belief a bubble and you in providing evidence is the prick then i will take your word for it as I'm not sure what you are aiming at

This evidence you refer too, where is it? I've seen evidence from others but don't recall any from you. And as stated none of the evidence provided has yet convinced me helmets are not of value, so if you wish to persuade me not to wear a helmet then you will need to provide better evidence of the fact

So lets recap to help you,

1. I say "I believe helmets are of value"
2. You say "You can believe what you want to believe, just dont force your opinion on others"
3. I say "I am not forcing you to share my view but I still believe helmets are of value"
4. You say" how can you were is the evidence, you must provide evidence to support wearing of helmet"
5. I say, "I dont need evidence to have an opinion"
6. You say "you do need evidence to enforce compulsion or your views on others"
7. Return to point 3

This cycle will only stop if you allow me to have my opinion and belief. You asked for evidence and I supplied it, I've seen people fall off bikes and the helmet help them, I've seen storys on here that suggest with photographic evidence that they form some protection. I maintain my view they are of benefit. If you dont like my evidence then fine, I couldn't care less if you believe in helmet value or not as I am not trying to force my view on you.

However and this is the real issue here, you are trying to force your view on me as you continually wish to ridicule anyone who does not support your views. You will not allow me to wear a helmet without providing evidence. Do you demand this of everyone you see with a helmet on or do you save it for people who wear helmets who post on a forum?

Good gracious, I didn't think this would become a debate about religion! :

 

[Angelfishsolo]

What is unscientific about the use of fossil fuels in cars? Is there a problem with the thermodynamics? Or the chemistry? The problem isn't scientific at all, it is about the decisions we make about the use of resources, the problems are political, social, economic; as demonstrated by your use of the word "blinkered", which isn't a statement about scientific validity.

The science is not invalid but it does show that science can fail to get things right in terms of longevity. The use of a finite resource can never be seen to be logical if there are renuable or infinite resources available that will achieve the same end result.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

really?

Why is it that when faith is mentioned people make the leep to religion?!

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Good gracious, I didn't think this would become a debate about religion! :

Why not? It always does! Once you start relying on "belief" it's as near religion as makes no difference, especially when the believers state that they don't need any evidence to form a belief. :-(

 

[jonesy]

Why not? It always does! Once you start relying on "belief" it's as near religion as makes no difference, especially when the believers state that they don't need any evidence to form a belief. :-(

I agree! Sorry, I was being a bit flippant. The appeal to belief without the need for evidence is just like religion. Seems a bit odd to have one based on cycle helmets, but perhaps it will look a bit different after 2000 years of rituals and scriptures have developed

 

[Red Light]

Yes, very much so.
Sorry, RL.

Appreciated but not needed.

 

[ufkacbln]

As I have pointed out before, this is easy to prove.

1. Bang your head against a wall
2. Choose a Deity
3. Bang your head against a wall, whilst praying to the Deity
4. Repeat for other Deities

If it hurts less you have proved the Deity exists.

 

[Red Light]

Not even the majority of non wearers ride without them because they believe they are unsafe. They do so because they dont like wearing them simple.

Actually I suspect most non-wearers have never even thought about wearing one. But I am definitely in the group that used to wear a helmet and make my children wear one too until I read the evidence whereupon I abandoned mine (I agree with AFS it does feel very strange at first but you soon get over it). I also discussed it with my children and they made their own choice initially to continue wearing one and when they got older they stopped wearing one but still cycle everywhere.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

As I have pointed out before, this is easy to prove.

1. Bang your head against a wall
2. Choose a Deity
3. Bang your head against a wall, whilst praying to the Deity
4. Repeat for other Deities

If it hurts less you have proved the Deity exists.

Ah but the god, gods, godess or godesses may be testing your faith by not easing the pain. Either that or you have in fact shown that repeatedly banging ones' head against a wall has a numbing effect

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

As I have pointed out before, this is easy to prove.

1. Bang your head against a wall
2. Choose a Deity
3. Bang your head against a wall, whilst praying to the Deity
4. Repeat for other Deities

If it hurts less you have proved the Deity exists.

Thats only required for neophytes, true acolytes don't need to test ,becuase they know that their belief is correct!
True believers don't need evidence to create beliefs.

 

[Red Light]

As I have pointed out before, this is easy to prove.

1. Bang your head against a wall
2. Choose a Deity
3. Bang your head against a wall, whilst praying to the Deity
4. Repeat for other Deities

If it hurts less you have proved the Deity exists.

Ah but if it hurt less that would prove the deity existed which would never do because it would remove the need for faith. So its quite clear the deity exercises her power to make it hurt equally to avoid revealing her existence

 

[Red Light]

I dont see were evdience suggests that wearing a helmet can increase injuries?

I don't know why you can't see it. Its been pointed out to you often enough and its quite unequivocal.

Rodgers review of 8 million cyclist accidents for the US Consumer Product Safety Commission found

"The most surprising finding is that the bicycle-related fatality rate is positively and significantly correlated with increased helmet use".

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Reducing bicycle accidents: a re-evaluation of the impacts of the CPSC bicycle standard and helmet use, Rodgers GB. Journal of Products Liability, 1988 ,11:307-317. 1988.