Deaths when not using helmet

[Little yellow Brompton]

I'm happy to admit that the evidence has changed my thinking. I still wear a helmet but for different reasons.

So I've noticed, and TBH I think I agree with your rationalisation. What you are expereincing is risk compensation but in the opposite direction to that normally experienced.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So I've noticed, and TBH I think I agree with your rationalisation. What you are expereincing is risk compensation but in the opposite direction to that normally experienced.

Exactly. I was trying to think of a better was of phrasing it but none of the opposites of compensation (damage, deprivation, fine, forfeiture, loss, penalty) seem to fit

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

arrh, back to the old misquote and twisting of words, nice work.

now lets clear it up for you, i said i haven't accepted your evidence as supporting non wearing of helmet wearing, quite different to saying i will never accept any evidence

you seem anoyed that i do not agree with your views, this must be restrictive in everyday life

You don't need evidence to frame an opinion, why should anyone beleive that you will accept something you don't need?

As to being annoyed, I'm not annoyed with you, more annoyed at the society that lets you believe that your opinion is as good as anyone elses.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

DavidK - Why do you cycle?

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Exactly. I was trying to think of a better was of phrasing it but none of the opposites of compensation (damage, deprivation, fine, forfeiture, loss, penalty) seem to fit

Risk compensation works in both directions, but it's not often noticed and when it is remarked upon it's normally because people have absorbed the extra safety 'merkin footballers tackling harder, boxers fighting longer because of less cuts, taxi drivers braking harder, later because of ABS, rally drivers going faster on pacenotes. the worst factor of risk compensation is that it is insideous, as shown by you cycling faster with a helmet against slower without, which is safer overall? I don;t know, and I doubt you do either.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Risk compensation works in both directions, but it's not often noticed and when it is remarked upon it's normally because people have absorbed the extra safety 'merkin footballers tackling harder, boxers fighting longer because of less cuts, taxi drivers braking harder, later because of ABS, rally drivers going faster on pacenotes. the worst factor of risk compensation is that it is insideous, as shown by you cycling faster with a helmet against slower without, which is safer overall? I don;t know, and I doubt you do either.

Ah I didn't say I cycled at a different speed with/without a helmet. I said my cycling became worse and more dangerous.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Ah I didn't say I cycled at a different speed with/without a helmet. I said my cycling became worse and more dangerous.

I becomes worse and more dnagerous and yet you don't slow down?? You Sir have balls of Ti!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I becomes worse and more dnagerous and yet you don't slow down?? You Sir have balls of Ti!

No, if I had balls of Ti I would not have reverted to wearing a helmet

 

[david k]

Oh dear, you really weren't expecting anyone to prick your bubble with evidence were you? The gnashing and foaming must be at incredible levels!

Your reply (above) is evidence indeed of your thought processes , and will I'm sure, come to haunt you every time you pretend to have an open mind about , well, just about everything!

By now you are probably regretting confirming that you don't need evidence to come to an opinion, and you may even be thinking of deleting your post, this reply should make that thought pointless.

What bubble is that? i don't have, nor do i need a bubble. If you consider me having a belief a bubble and you in providing evidence is the prick then i will take your word for it as I'm not sure what you are aiming at

This evidence you refer too, where is it? I've seen evidence from others but don't recall any from you. And as stated none of the evidence provided has yet convinced me helmets are not of value, so if you wish to persuade me not to wear a helmet then you will need to provide better evidence of the fact

So lets recap to help you,

1. I say "I believe helmets are of value"
2. You say "You can believe what you want to believe, just dont force your opinion on others"
3. I say "I am not forcing you to share my view but I still believe helmets are of value"
4. You say" how can you were is the evidence, you must provide evidence to support wearing of helmet"
5. I say, "I dont need evidence to have an opinion"
6. You say "you do need evidence to enforce compulsion or your views on others"
7. Return to point 3

This cycle will only stop if you allow me to have my opinion and belief. You asked for evidence and I supplied it, I've seen people fall off bikes and the helmet help them, I've seen storys on here that suggest with photographic evidence that they form some protection. I maintain my view they are of benefit. If you dont like my evidence then fine, I couldn't care less if you believe in helmet value or not as I am not trying to force my view on you.

However and this is the real issue here, you are trying to force your view on me as you continually wish to ridicule anyone who does not support your views. You will not allow me to wear a helmet without providing evidence. Do you demand this of everyone you see with a helmet on or do you save it for people who wear helmets who post on a forum?

 

[david k]

DavidK - Why do you cycle?

because i enjoy it, its good exercise and it gets me round

 

[Angelfishsolo]

because i enjoy it, its good exercise and it gets me round

How do you know it is good exercise?

 

[david k]

How do you know it is good exercise?

just do, how do you know anything is good exercise?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

just do, how do you know anything is good exercise?

By monitoring results such as weight loss, muscle gain, improved fitness.

 

[david k]

monitor in how you feel or does it have to be more scientific?

isnt enjoying cycling another good reason, metal health benefits must be factored in if it is something you enjoy?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

monitor in how you feel or does it have to be more scientific?

isnt enjoying cycling another good reason, metal health benefits must be factored in if it is something you enjoy?

You stated it is good exercise I asked how you know. Are you saying you went into cycling blind just "knowing" it was good exercise or did you read/watch something about it first?

Again, there are mental health benefits and they can be proven. One does not need to have faith or belief in that.