Deaths when not using helmet

[Little yellow Brompton]

Who was it who said that science is not a democracy? Just because most people believe in a proof does not necessarily make it so

Einstein

 

[benb]

Exactly , but my example does prove that an element of doubt exists. You cannot do a test for doubt.

But that's exactly why I gave the example of people who believe in a flat earth. Just because some people believe something to be true or false, does not necessarily mean that there is any real doubt.

Now the evidence on helmets is obviously not as clear (either way) as that for the shape of the earth, but that doesn't mean we should use anecdote as a replacement for evidence.

 

[Red Light]

Hypothetical example, 1, Man falls off bike no helmet hits head on ground, gets up walks away. ....2, Expert/Scientist Man wears helmet falls off hits head on ground ,gets up walks away, 2nd man is qualified, yet both man would have opposing views on helmets, which one is wrong ?

I doubt an expert/scientist would have an opposing view from that. For them it would just be an anecdote and not sufficient evidence to form a view about helmets.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Exactly , but my example does prove that an element of doubt exists. You cannot do a test for doubt.

How small a % of "doubt" will you cling to?

 

[twobiker]

Neither of those examples are how science works. Personal opinion, anecdote, and unsupported claims have no place. That's why we do large scale studies, blinded, to reduce as much as possible our biases and preconceptions.

In your example, both men may have opposing views, depending how much weight they choose to give their own personal experiences, but both incidents tell us precisely nothing about whether bicycle helmets are effective or not.

The example was not to demonstrate how science works but to demonstrate doubt. example 1 would "doubt" that he would be any safer wearing a helmet, example 2 would "doubt" that he would have been unhurt if he had not worn a helmet.
Have you never asked some one if they are going somewhere and they reply "I doubt it I'm busy" you are confusing yourself with the use of the word doubt, its not always about science. think outside your box sometimes.

 

[twobiker]

I doubt an expert/scientist would have an opposing view from that. For them it would just be an anecdote and not sufficient evidence to form a view about helmets.

You used the word "doubt" are you qualified to express doubt ?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

The example was not to demonstrate how science works but to demonstrate doubt. example 1 would "doubt" that he would be any safer wearing a helmet, example 2 would "doubt" that he would have been unhurt if he had not worn a helmet.
Have you never asked some one if they are going somewhere and they reply "I doubt it I'm busy" you are confusing yourself with the use of the word doubt, its not always about science. think outside your box sometimes.

This is why terms are defined in legal and scientific documents

 

[twobiker]

How small a % of "doubt" will you cling to?

Not a bad loser then. and obviously not big enough to move on, How small a percentage of doubt can you provide ?

 

[twobiker]

This is why terms are defined in legal and scientific documents

I know but try telling these scientists that, you would think they owned the word "doubt" they need to get out more, still its good sport, I was in Hay-on-Wye last March lovely area,went over the Black Mountains to Llanthony Priory, by car , wife not a cycle convert, stayed near Hergest Ridge, Back next year for Festival 2012.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

I know but try telling these scientists that, you would think they owned the word "doubt" they need to get out more

If you are in a debate about science it's disengenuous to use words in a different way.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Not a bad loser then. and obviously not big enough to move on, How small a percentage of doubt can you provide ?

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[twobiker]

You seem to be confused, you asked me for evidence of opposing views on a subject, I have given you this, if two people have a different view on a subject, then an element of doubt is always evident hence the debates about Helmets, RLJ , etc. the only thing certain in life is eventual death.

Please point to where I said it was Scientific, since when has "a different view on a subject" been scientific.

 

[twobiker]

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I get that some times try taking your finger off quicker.

 

[benb]

The example was not to demonstrate how science works but to demonstrate doubt. example 1 would "doubt" that he would be any safer wearing a helmet, example 2 would "doubt" that he would have been unhurt if he had not worn a helmet.
Have you never asked some one if they are going somewhere and they reply "I doubt it I'm busy" you are confusing yourself with the use of the word doubt, its not always about science. think outside your box sometimes.

If I'm confused it's because you have been confusing.
What exactly is your point?

 

[twobiker]

If I'm confused it's because you have been confusing.
What exactly is your point?

My point is that this thread was supposed to be about deaths when not using helmets, not about taking the opportunity to jump on someone and try to take them to task about every dot and comma or every word which you obviously don't understand the various meanings of, you have taken this thread away from its origin in a vain attempt to show how clever you were, and how dumb you presumed I was, now do you understand.