dark cycle kit!!

[bianchi1]

EBSCO host on Academic Search Complete, not google (its a bit restrictive) but close!



Plus im waiting for a wiggle order to arrive..a new bright yellow gilet!

 

[vernon]

"Cyclists’ attitudes towards the use of conspicuity aids, in particular their beliefs as to what ‘works’ and under what conditions, could be a significant factor in understanding low adoption rates. Recent research by Wood and Lacherez suggests that some cyclists overestimate the distance at which they would be noticed by drivers at night whilst underestimating the conspicuity enhancement offered by fluorescent or retro-reflective vests in darkness or daylight. These findings suggest that evidence of the effectiveness of conspicuity aids in reducing collision risk may help encourage greater use of conspicuity aids"

It's still not a proof that conspicuity aids reduce collision risk.

 

[bianchi1]

Are you in fact Pedrosancheeso?

Who?

 

[asterix]

That's why the RAF have painted all of their training aircraft black. They are easier to spot.

There is also the problem of 'target fixation'. A driver seeing a garishly garbed cyclist may actually hit the cyclist through looking at them rather than past them.

I prefer moderately visible stuff and early use of lights. My bike has an excellent hub dynamo causing no noticeable drag and I often turn it on in dull daylight. I have noticed a big improvement in driver behaviour entering roundabouts or pulling out when it is lit.

In town saturday a taxi driver flung open his door so he'd have caught me nicely if I hadn't been miles out from the kerb. It'd have made no difference how brightly I was lit; he'd spotted a mate on the pavement and opened the door without a second's thought in order to chinwag. Have lost count of drivers who overtake and slam on the anchors to go left or because they failed to notice the parked cars in front. It's just cr4p driving, pure and simple.

It's useless thinking being all dolled up in high-viz is the only answer!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I said I wear black, not a cloak of invisibility. But I'd rather not be seen in anything that makes me look like radioactive custard.

I'm sure if you wore it you'd nonetheless make a very fetching radio-active custard thobut.

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

So bianch1 - that all adds up to - wear conspicuous clothing does it not?

 

[snorri]

You appear to consider cyclist conspicuity as the vital factor in reducing the risk of motor vehicle /cyclist collisions. I would suggest other measures could be taken to reduce collision risk such as reducing motor vehicle speed limits, eye tests for drivers, reducing the size of door pillars in motor vehicles, heavier sentencing for drivers colliding, road design changes, etc etc.

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

You appear to consider cyclist conspicuity as the vital factor in reducing the risk of motor vehicle /cyclist collisions. I would suggest other measures could be taken to reduce collision risk such as reducing motor vehicle speed limits, eye tests for drivers, reducing the size of door pillars in motor vehicles, heavier sentencing for drivers colliding, road design changes, etc etc.

Yebbut - I can actually put a yellow top on now

 

[bianchi1]

Someone who, like yourself, had a fixed point of view, in his case that everyone should wear helmets and children legally compelled to, and looked for evidence to support it after he was challenged about this point of view rather than understanding what he was on about before starting.

No thats not me. Sounds like an idiot tho. Imagine looking for evidence to support an argument

My point of view isnt fixed, its just i haven't seen any evidence yet to change my mind. Wearing black and cycling with no lights during overcast winter evenings (or mornings) is less sensible than wearing conspicuous clothing.

 

[bianchi1]

You appear to consider cyclist conspicuity as the vital factor in reducing the risk of motor vehicle /cyclist collisions. I would suggest other measures could be taken to reduce collision risk such as reducing motor vehicle speed limits, eye tests for drivers, reducing the size of door pillars in motor vehicles, heavier sentencing for drivers colliding, road design changes, etc etc.

Yes to all these things of course. goes without saying.

 

[ufkacbln]

Err yes! That's how looking and seeing works.

and the point here is that if cyclists are more visible there would be less accidents?

If a driver fails to look, or react appropriately then no amount of HiViz is going to be effective

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Yep, But i was also on my bike and not a distracted driver.

These distracted drivers, are they driving with the required due care and attention? If not then being lit up like a Xtmas tree won't help you because they are neither looking nor seeing. What's distracting them?

No she doesn't, and I think it's more a sort of fuchsia. I'm not disputing that in certain conditions a fuschia jacket might show up more than a black one, but not in Greg's avatar. Look at it again. And then look at it another time, but not directly.

I wear fuchsia or purple myself but the men with clipboards that run the cycle clothing industry have decreed purple jackets is for gurlz.

I learnt to drive about 300 years ago, hence I was taught properly, and do all sorts of old time stuff like looking and thinking and so on....

That explains so much.

I learnt 12 years ago but was still taught to look around and take what my instructor called 'calculated risks' she claimed driving was a calculated risk, anything you do could result in something bad happening so you pick when the odds are in your favour - made sense. I look over my shoulder when changing lanes instead of trusting the mirrors etc, even more so after learning to ride a motorcycle.

My daughter's previous driving instructor told her she should disregard cyclists as they aren't registered (true) don't have insurance (not always true) and "don't pay road tax and so have no rights to be on the road" (chortle)

My daughter now has a new driving instructor. I wonder how your driving instructor's advice plays itself out on the roads with those who don't also cycle or ride a motorbike.

 

[theclaud]

I'm sure if you wore it you'd nonetheless make a very fetching radio-active custard thobut.

How very kind of you, Mr Collins. But I put this down more to your gallantry than to any particular ability on my part to carry off an outfit that makes me look like an especially demented Norwich City fan.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

How very kind of you, Mr Collins. But I put this down more to your gallantry than to any particular ability on my part to carry off an outfit that makes me look like an especially demented Norwich City fan.

There would be nothing 'especially demented' about it. Normal for Norwich.

 

[bianchi1]

If a driver fails to look, or react appropriately then no amount of HiViz is going to be effective

So i may as well ditch my lights as well if these drivers aren't looking ?