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bianchi1

bianchi1

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"There are also a lot of people who wear black, but partner it with lights, excellent road craft, superior knowledge of their bikes and abilities, and have well maintained bikes".

The fellow I saw (he wasn't invisible after all! ) was on a quality road bike, looked fit and fast, going well, but dressed total in black (apart from a coin size red logo) no lights. This was at 3 ish and frankly it was dark. Every car had their lights on. I was just confused at their clothing motivation.
 
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bianchi1

bianchi1

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So you want a fact, here's one for you! ONE SHOULD NEVER WEAR WHITE CYCLING SHORTS!

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And i was going to go for the young rider classification in the tour this year!
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
"There are also a lot of people who wear black, but partner it with lights, excellent road craft, superior knowledge of their bikes and abilities, and have well maintained bikes".

The fellow I saw (he wasn't invisible after all! ) was on a quality road bike, looked fit and fast, going well, but dressed total in black (apart from a coin size red logo) no lights. This was at 3 ish and frankly it was dark. Every car had their lights on. I was just confused at their clothing motivation.


Sounds like he was caught out later than he intended without lights. On the other hand, if he was on a quality road bike, he might have been one of those who can't bear to carry an extra gramme. Whatever.

But you did see him, right?
 
Interestingly from RoSPA

In collisions involving a bicycle and another vehicle, the most common key contributory factor recorded by the police is ‘failed to look properly’ by either the driver or rider, especially at junctions. ‘Failed to look properly’ was attributed to the car driver in 57% of serious collisions and to the cyclist in 43% of serious collisions at junctions.

HiViz only works if the driver looks and or sees
 
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bianchi1

bianchi1

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Sounds like he was caught out later than he intended without lights. On the other hand, if he was on a quality road bike, he might have been one of those who can't bear to carry an extra gramme. Whatever.

But you did see him, right?

Yep, But i was also on my bike and not a distracted driver.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Err yes! That's how looking and seeing works.

I think Cunobelin's point is that if someone doesn't look and see (IE they don't look properly), they won't notice hi-vis any more than black. Whereas if someone does look and see (IE look properly), as you and I have proved, they will see black perfectly well. So the advantage of hi-vis is less than you might expect.
 

jayonabike

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Location
Hertfordshire
A solid block of colour i.e black top & leggings is just as visible, if not more so than a hi viz jacket
 
Location
Rammy
Black cycling kit generally has reflective elements. Mine certainly does. Unlike dark coloured cars, motorcycles, pedestrians....

My motorbike has a black fairing on the front but is partially silver, the headlight is permanently on (as soon as I turn the ignition on) and it makes a reasonable amount of noise without getting silly but still people pull across me on dual carriageways. If I ride with my high beam on (I know I shouldn't) then it doesn't happen.

I cycle every day. I'm not sure that not wishing to look a complete tit all the time by getting dressed up as a space lemon™ equates to extraordinary vanity.
I was at university in Coventry and lived there in total for about 9 years, given that at any one time half the town centre had roadworks in it 'space lemon' was a bad plan, as such I have a blue high visibility waterproof top which I wear to cycle, I also use this over my motorbike jacket.
if I don't want to cook in summer, my in-laws bought me a red cycling top from Aldi one christmas (along with a flat-cap, mother-in-law is learning!) which I wear instead of the waterproof. My motorbike jacket is mainly red with black under the arms and with a reasonable amount of white. My mc helmet is white, hopefully this helps me be seen a bit better.

I learnt to drive about 300 years ago, hence I was taught properly, and do all sorts of old time stuff like looking and thinking and so on....
I learnt 12 years ago but was still taught to look around and take what my instructor called 'calculated risks' she claimed driving was a calculated risk, anything you do could result in something bad happening so you pick when the odds are in your favour - made sense. I look over my shoulder when changing lanes instead of trusting the mirrors etc, even more so after learning to ride a motorcycle.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
That's why the RAF have painted all of their training aircraft black. They are easier to spot.

But against a much lighter background and in pretty much splendid isolation up there, not pottering down Kilburn High Road on Wednesday rush hour.

paint the world uniformy light grey and keep everyone 500 feet apart and bobs yer uncle
 
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bianchi1

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Interesting stuff from: P, Kendrick, D, Coupland, C, & Coffey, (2010) The use of conspicuity aids by cyclists and risk of crashes involving other road users: a protocol for a population based case-control study', BMC Public Health, 10, pp. 39-44

"Drivers have difficulty detecting ‘small’ objects such as cyclists and pedestrians, especially at lower light levels or in darkness Richter et al found 17.5% of cycling crashes
occurred during dawn, dusk or at night. Despite the relatively small proportion of cycling crashes occurring at times of low visibility and bicycle use being lower at these times, a higher proportion of these incidents result in severe or fatal injury"

"A study in Victoria (Australia) found 90% of cyclist fatalities involved a rear impact suggesting that many drivers are unaware of the presence of a cyclist prior to a collision"

"Early experimental work demonstrated that simple conspicuity enhancing devices increase the distance over which drivers can detect and recognise cyclists and pedestrians"

"Low-cost conspicuity aids suitable for the needs of non-competitive cyclists are readily available. Reflective or fluorescent materials can be worn as garments, on a
helmet or attached to the bicycle, rider or luggage. Combinations of fluorescent and reflective materials also enhance conspicuity regardless of changes in visibility
conditions occurring during a journey e.g. during dawn" or dusk or on longer journeys where weather conditions may change.

"An observational study of conspicuity aid use by cyclists and pedestrians in Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) found fewer than one third wearing outer clothing rated as ‘medium’ or ‘high’ visibility [31] and similarly low rates of conspicuity aid and light use were found in fatal cycling collisions in Australia . An observational study in Oxford (UK) found 10% of cyclists used high-visibility clothing and less than half used lights at dusk and after dark"

"Cyclists’ attitudes towards the use of conspicuity aids, in particular their beliefs as to what ‘works’ and under what conditions, could be a significant factor in understanding low adoption rates. Recent research by Wood and Lacherez suggests that some cyclists overestimate the distance at which they would be noticed by drivers at night whilst underestimating the conspicuity enhancement offered by fluorescent or retro-reflective vests in darkness or daylight. These findings suggest that evidence of the effectiveness of conspicuity aids in reducing collision risk may help encourage greater use of conspicuity aids"
 
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