dark cycle kit!!

[Black Sheep]

Entirely possible. And I'm grateful for the long version of the explanation.

My worry was/is that "go ahead take a calculated risk" is a shocking naive thing for an instructor to say unless they know for a fact the driver concerned has sound judgement, excellent risk perception and assessment skills, can perform multiple likelihood/impact planning scenarios in their heads, under pressure, can make the right decisions and has the necessary technical skills to deal with the circumstances when they don't judge things correctly.

I'm not sure what these unknowns are and why they cannot be turned into something resembling knowns via observation.

it was indeed more a "mistakes can happen so be careful, ask yourself if you've considered everything"
the un-knowns I'm thinking of are the only examples I can give, someone indicating to leave a round-a-bout and starts to take the exit suddenly does a sharp, almost U turn back onto the round-a-bout
they appeared to have committed themselves to that exit and so I might have set off, suddenly they're heading for a T-bone into my side.
this happened yesterday, the only reason they didn't hit me was the lorry following down that exit hit them first.
these extreme examples of bad driving are what I am saying are hard (not impossible) to predict and could have you sat indefinitely at a junction for fear that someone is about to do the un-imaginable.
as such, you assess and try to minimumise the risk - something I feel we do in our daily lives, choosing to un-pug the computer before taking the case off instead of just switching the socket off etc.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

it was indeed more a "mistakes can happen so be careful, ask yourself if you've considered everything"
the un-knowns I'm thinking of are the only examples I can give, someone indicating to leave a round-a-bout and starts to take the exit suddenly does a sharp, almost U turn back onto the round-a-bout
they appeared to have committed themselves to that exit and so I might have set off, suddenly they're heading for a T-bone into my side.
this happened yesterday, the only reason they didn't hit me was the lorry following down that exit hit them first.
these extreme examples of bad driving are what I am saying are hard (not impossible) to predict and could have you sat indefinitely at a junction for fear that someone is about to do the un-imaginable.
as such, you assess and try to minimumise the risk - something I feel we do in our daily lives, choosing to un-pug the computer before taking the case off instead of just switching the socket off etc.

But as a motorcyclist you know you don't pull out anywhere until you see the front wheels turn and the hands move on the steering wheel....

 

[bianchi1]

Just some bloke out today in all white retro rapha kit, even had white overshoes on. Saw him from MILES away.

He had done some racing in Belgium in his earlier days but now just did it for fun. Obviously new what he was doing!

And even better this had turned up when i got home.

 

[Cubist]

No she doesn't, and I think it's more a sort of fuchsia. I'm not disputing that in certain conditions a fuschia jacket might show up more than a black one, but not in Greg's avatar. Look at it again. And then look at it another time, but not directly.

You're ignoring the marketing hype again aren't you...
"The fuschia's bright, the fuschia's orange."

I'll get my (mid-cyan with reflective detail) coat

 

[snorri]

also what is you timescale for all of these admittedly overdue and perfectly sensible changes as opposed to a quick trip down to Evans or even B&Q for some way of helping yourself in an otherwise apathetic to cyclists lives political climate

The timescale will be all the greater if we cyclists are happy to accept the blame for crashes and humbly apologise for failing to purchase and wear the very latest hi-tech hi-viz.

 

[Cubist]

Just some bloke out today in all white retro rapha kit, even had white overshoes on. Saw him from MILES away.

He had done some racing in Belgium in his earlier days but now just did it for fun. Obviously new what he was doing!

And even better this had turned up when i got home.

You need to make that a bit more conspicuous. I can hardly make out what it is.

 

[Cubist]

More demented than Delia?

Took the words out etc etc etc.

 

[bianchi1]

The timescale will be all the greater if we cyclists are happy to accept the blame for crashes and humbly apologise for failing to purchase and wear the very latest hi-tech hi-viz.

But if you are not clearly visible, then the sad truth is maybe you would be partly to blame. Not that blame is in any way important when you are squished.

One of the points i am trying to make is people are going out and buying the latest expensive hi tech kit, which is often in a choice of colors, and more and more they appear to be choosing the black option.

 

[Black Sheep]

But as a motorcyclist you know you don't pull out anywhere until you see the front wheels turn and the hands move on the steering wheel....

indeed, and since they had got half the car down the exit I felt it a safe 'risk' or assumption that they had committed to that exit, but in a change of direction with all the skill of a london taxi driver, they managed to get their car round and back onto the roundabout, despite it being a slip road that they had started going down. This would have put them on a T-bone course with myself apart from the fact the lorry following them also wasn't expecting such a manoeuvre.

as such, having seen the signal (which I generally don't trust) and the car not only turn, but straighten onto its course, I was happy to discount the vehicle as exiting the local environment

 

[bianchi1]

You need to make that a bit more conspicuous. I can hardly make out what it is.

Better

 

[bianchi1]

We have now reached the offensive victim blaming part. Motorists are supposed to drive in such a way that they can safely stop in the distance they can see. The more we buy into the making it easier for them the easier it becomes for them to wriggle out of accepting responsibility for their actions.

So if i ride at night, dressed in black, no lights and get hit, its not my fault.

It is surely easier for motorists to wriggle out of accepting responsibility for their action if we do not take some responsibility for our own actions. As a past poster commented, they would rater get run over by a bus than wear hi viz. I absolutely accept that point of view. Each to there own.

 

[Rob3rt]

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Out of all the colour options available, you choose the ugliest one! Congrats! I'd have chosen black.

 

[Arch]

But as a motorcyclist you know you don't pull out anywhere until you see the front wheels turn and the hands move on the steering wheel....

And even then, the buggers change their minds!

If you did wait every time to absolutely sure, sadly, you'd never get out of your drive. (well, or out of the first turning with any other traffic). All you can do is be as sure as possible, and still expect to have to take evasive action.

Roundabouts are terrible for people changing their minds without looking or indicating. At least when they do it in front of a lorry, they learn an expensive painful lesson, rather than the "oh, was that something? no, never mind", they'd get hitting a cyclist...

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

And even then, the buggers change their minds!

If you did wait every time to absolutely sure, sadly, you'd never get out of your drive. (well, or out of the first turning with any other traffic). All you can do is be as sure as possible, and still expect to have to take evasive action.

Roundabouts are terrible for people changing their minds without looking or indicating. At least when they do it in front of a lorry, they learn an expensive painful lesson, rather than the "oh, was that something? no, never mind", they'd get hitting a cyclist...

Sounds like you've been there then Arch

 

[asterix]

But if you are not clearly visible, then the sad truth is maybe you would be partly to blame. Not that blame is in any way important when you are squished.

One of the points i am trying to make is people are going out and buying the latest expensive hi tech kit, which is often in a choice of colors, and more and more they appear to be choosing the black option.

Only if drivers are allowed to be blind or obsessed with texting rather looking where they are going.

In the dusk I just watched a black clad cyclist with no lights. In a 30 limit I could see him quite easily 300 to 400 metres away.