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subaqua

What’s the point
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I hope that Teresa Pearce's Bill gets resurrected. It had significant cross party support, which is uncommon for a PMB.
Make it part of the National curriculum and yes great idea. Standards set and checked against with a proper budget to enable proper training.

Could even be used as a unit for vocational qualifications or for uni entry points .

That does have support from teachers.
 

subaqua

What’s the point
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First aid is not for the good of the children being taught but for the people they subsequently help - for society if you like.

why bother with school at all then ?
And the sailing point is just being silly

And going back to a previous point about schools have first aiders, yes they do. But a lot possibly most ,are not teachers but support staff , and holding a qualification in something does not automatically mean you have the ability or skills or knowledge to teach it.

Swimming lessons is a great example. I can swim brilliantly , no way I could teach it.
Same for wifey.

Do the kids teachers teach them that ? No generally it's done by swimming teachers at pools and has funding allocated for it as it's part of the NC

Again at the risk of repeating myself it shouldn't be down to schoolteachers to teach the life skills. That's called parenting. Parenting doesn't stop with popping one out, or them starting school it's a lifelong thing.
 
Traumas such as stab wounds which, if recent TV programmes about ambulance services are anything to go by, are worryingly frequent.

TV programmes are a massive issue

The "reality" ones are a little better, but the problem is that many believe the "Casualty / Holby City" myths

We had some massive problems

In one episode a nurse was allowed to hold a patient in a CT Scanner ..... we had lots of issues with parents who couldn't understand why we were being obstructive and not allowing them to do the same

We also had a leaflet that informed patient's relatives that unlike these programmes, you could not resuscitate everyone with a few chest compressions and a quick puff of air.

TV is not entirely helpful
 
And going back to a previous point about schools have first aiders, yes they do. But a lot possibly most ,are not teachers but support staff , and holding a qualification in something does not automatically mean you have the ability or skills or knowledge to teach it.

Swimming lessons is a great example. I can swim brilliantly , no way I could teach it.
Same for wifey.

Do the kids teachers teach them that ? No generally it's done by swimming teachers at pools and has funding allocated for it as it's part of the NC

Again at the risk of repeating myself it shouldn't be down to schoolteachers to teach the life skills. That's called parenting. Parenting doesn't stop with popping one out, or them starting school it's a lifelong thing.

Back in the early 70's we had a very progressive School.

We had a massive animal collection, and were exhibiting at London Zoo, the Natural History Museum and Cambridge University Science exhibitions... not bad for a secondary modern

On of the other progressive situations is that WE as pupils held First Aid qualifications and used to perform First Aid within the School

It was one inspirational teacher and the local St John Ambulance that facilitated this system
 
One of the issues is that to teach First Aid you ned to have some form of qualification

Gone are the old days where you used to have proven experience in First Aid before being allowed on an instructor's course, but there are still basic requirements

Schools may be under different regulations, but to teach First Aid usually requires a several day course as opposed to a couple of hours
 
At my kids school each term they learn something for an hour a week off curriculum. It lasts from yr1 to 6. It's amazing. It's been art, geography, spy school, acting, cooking, exploring, map reading to name but a few. . Kids love it. The group mixes all ages (6 to 11). No reason why one of the 18 terms couldn't be compulsory first aid
I will suggest it.
 
At my kids school each term they learn something for an hour a week off curriculum. It lasts from yr1 to 6. It's amazing. It's been art, geography, spy school, acting, cooking, exploring, map reading to name but a few. . Kids love it. The group mixes all ages (6 to 11). No reason why one of the 18 terms couldn't be compulsory first aid
I will suggest it.


We used to have from 11:30 to 12:30 each day as an "Activity" session. You chose the activities
 

Stephenite

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I think @numbnuts is great. Twice he has saved a life.

A very good friend of mine died a couple of weeks ago. Heart stopped and, living alone, no-one around to save him or call for help. Only 48 years old. It was a combination of factors, and it was unexpected.

I don't think teachers (multi-skilled as they are) ought to have the onus of training first-aiders, though. Children, and their parents, are allowed to learn this elsewhere.
 
I don't watch Casualty or Holby City, but I do know that neither is a "TV programme about ambulance services".


These programmes give an unrealistic representation that leads to expectations that cannot be fulfilled

This especially applies to CPR to the extent that an NHS Trust had to take remedial action

Perhaps reading up on the subject of the adverse influence of TV on expectations for the outcome of CPR would allow you a better informed response

I can post some links if you like
 
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