PhilDawson8270
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Through college we had an "extra curricular" period once per week, that changed every term. It varied from political work, to sports, to community work as well. it could easily be put in there. Rather than in schools.
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Through college we had an "extra curricular" period once per week, that changed every term. It varied from political work, to sports, to community work as well. it could easily be put in there. Rather than in schools.
subaqua
What’s the point
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this is a better suggestion, as those on the receiving end are a little more mature .
it is where i was taught it . but as part of my apprenticeship.
next issue is cost . who pays for a trainer to come in and teach it. or train the lecturers to teach it. my training as part of a BSAC club wasn't free, neither was doing a HSE 1st aid at work qual.
all real world questions that need an answer.
ColinJ
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Oh, the poor old man! Well, at least you have given him a few extra months of life and most of us never manage to do something like that.
subaqua
What’s the point
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oh stop please my sides ache from laughing .
where exactly will be it be "easily accomodated" in PHSE .
everybody thinks there is infinite time to cover infinite things. there isn't.
subaqua
What’s the point
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if it was sooooooo easy why has it not been done nationally. oh yes cost, time, multiple other factors
personally I would love for something to happen like this but like a lot of things the actual implementation is not as easy as the theory
and again WHY is it down to schools to do this training . What next , Schools to teach kids to wipe own noses and arses. ( actually that does happen as too many parents don't think they have a responsibility to do anything except make the kids).
maybe I should see if i can get the local school to teach how to catch fish , thats an essential life skill too.
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Glenn
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Used to have a basic 1st aid refresher course annually when I was in the RAF, then the compression's/breaths were 10/1 if by yourself or 15/2 if you had assistance, from what I saw on BBC1 Breakfast this morning it's now 30/2.
Well done by the way 
Profpointy
Legendary Member
Leaving aside the rather silly arguing, basic first aid as sheep-dip course in schools seems eminently sensible and worthwhile.
Just calmly discussing what to do when coming across (say) a car accident, or someone who's fainted before thinking on the hoof in the panic of the moment is itself very worthwhile, quite apart from some basic first aid.
OK time is limited in schools, but there's plenty to be cut. I dare say I wouldn't really miss out if I'd not been subjected to learning about Moses in Egypt, or the 1832 reform act (even if I found the latter interesting).
I do wonder though, notwithstanding the OP's post, if there's too much emphasis on CPR as opposed to other serious things such severe bleeding / trauma or broken bones, or even choking. I'd have thought, but may be wrong, that mostly CPR doesn't end as well as the OP's example. Just to be clear CPR is obviously worth knowing, but arguably a long-shot, but stopping someone bleeding to death following trauma would be something to emphasise rather more I'd have thought. Should be both, rather than either / or mind.
Just calmly discussing what to do when coming across (say) a car accident, or someone who's fainted before thinking on the hoof in the panic of the moment is itself very worthwhile, quite apart from some basic first aid.
OK time is limited in schools, but there's plenty to be cut. I dare say I wouldn't really miss out if I'd not been subjected to learning about Moses in Egypt, or the 1832 reform act (even if I found the latter interesting).
I do wonder though, notwithstanding the OP's post, if there's too much emphasis on CPR as opposed to other serious things such severe bleeding / trauma or broken bones, or even choking. I'd have thought, but may be wrong, that mostly CPR doesn't end as well as the OP's example. Just to be clear CPR is obviously worth knowing, but arguably a long-shot, but stopping someone bleeding to death following trauma would be something to emphasise rather more I'd have thought. Should be both, rather than either / or mind.
welsh dragon
Thanks but no thanks. I think I'll pass.
My grandsons school is thinking of doing CPR training in the science class as part of life skills. CPR in fact is only a tiny part of any first aid course and only takes up an hour or so, so no other lesson or subject would need to be disrupted at all.
subaqua
What’s the point
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worryingly frequent in schools too.
so much that they get little news time. 15 years ago it was a rare thing but more common these days.
a yr 6 pupil pulled a knife on a colleague of wife last week.
subaqua
What’s the point
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which is worse than not teaching at all. teach something properly or don't teach it at all.
oh and first off you need to train all the teachers to teach it. or find the budget for SJA or other provider.
it is something that was investigated properly a few years back when I was on governing body of daughters school.
we took advice from within education and from outside and the resounding answer was. nice idea , however this is exactly what it entails and this is the likely cost.
subaqua
What’s the point
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- Leytonstone
I argue vehemently when I know the subject and have experience in trying to provision it.
big problem is that actual real life experience counts . apparently in cloudcuckooregland its soooo easy to train all kids in 1st aid/CPR. however if it was so easy why is it not being done.
answer for why it is not done readily
lack of skills to teach it
lack of budgets to employ skilled person to teach it.
lack of budgets to get the skills to teach it.
schools have so much money that teachers don't need to spend their wages on buying the BASICS for pupils when it is close to financial year end. or ask part time teachers to work almost full time hours for time off in lieu that gets hard to take back.
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subaqua
What’s the point
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- Leytonstone
of all the places in the UK I would least expect a stabbing to occur, a primary school would be at the top of the list.
unfortunately it is heading onto the "a common place to get a knife pulled on you" list.
and not by the teachers!
walking through Hackney/Haringey/Islington/ parts of walthamstow / kidbrooke estate ( other london boroughs exist but not sure of the prevalence)at night 15 years ago yes it was a big risk, and the stabbing would make the news.
it is only fatals of significance that get BBC news airtime now.
welsh dragon
Thanks but no thanks. I think I'll pass.
You don't need to teach all the teachers. Each school must have at least one first aider who has done the course and can pass on what they have learned. Teaching CPR can also be done in blocks very much like it is done on first aid courses. A whole class at a time can be taught how to do CPR. And you will have a whole year or even two if needed and wouldn't have an adverse effect on the rest of the ciriculem.
And doing something even if It isn't successful is Better than doing nothing. Doing nothing will inevitably result in death. Doing something, even if a person isn't fully competent could give the patient a fighting chance rather than none at all until qualified ambulance crews could get to the scene.
And I doubt very much that my grandsons school would be considering teaching the children CPR if they didn't think it could be achieved or if they thought that it would stretch the teaching staff or the budget to the limit. I personally think its a good idea, and Well done to the school for taking the initiative like that.
Profpointy
Legendary Member
yebbut you don't seem to be considering the bigger picture. You have to teach the teachers to teach anything and teaching anything takes time. Long term it's clearly cost neutral just like any other priority choice. Now for a single school to add it in out of extra money, you might have a (weak) point but to say it's impossible and so angrilly at that I can't fathom
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