COVID Vaccine !

[BoldonLad]

It's an interesting concept mixing two vaccines with different approaches to stimulating an immune response. One from mRNA to generate the Covid virus spike protein and one to insert the same protein into the body via a viral vector. I'm not an immunologist and last studied it 45 years ago as a biochemistry student, however it seems to me that both vaccines are aiming at the same effect - producing an immune response to the spike protein. I'm not sure if mixing them would really be effective but logic tells me that it just might.

I'm rather hoping we've got some immunologists on CC who could help us out.

i thought Pfizer disagreed (that it was a good idea, indeed, that any change was a good idea, including the change to dosage interval).

 

[MrGrumpy]

We didn't have 10 months of lockdown though did we?
We had barely 3 months of lockdown then started opening everything up again, encouraging everyone to go to restaurants, letting people fly all over to go on holidays, etc, etc.
A bit more lockdown back then and some strict travel restrictions/controls and everthing could have been quite different, have a look at the countries which dealt with it successfully so far.

This is exactly why it’s a basket case now, NZ, AUS etc all managed to nip this quick by hitting hard. I’m sure the residents of these countries were pissed about that as well. However it’s worked out ok looking in . UK Gov along with some of EU brethren have f.... this up big time.

 

[classic33]

Wonder if the elephant in the room is that we can't stop it, whatever we do ... 10 months of lockdown, masks, economy trashed, restrictions, destruction of liberty, schools and collages closed .. travel restrictions .... and not a blind bit of difference .... here we are ... highest daily infection rates ever .... Just a thought .... again.

Simple.
You'll just have to get used to it and embrace the new "normal".

 

[mjr]

UK Gov along with some of EU brethren have f.... this up big time.

And yet, the UK looks to have lost its grip on the second wave unlike most large EU countries:

Johnson has bet everything on the emergency authorisations of vaccines. Pray he wins this one.

 

[Unkraut]

Wonder if the elephant in the room is that we can't stop it, whatever we do ... 10 months of lockdown, masks, economy trashed, restrictions, destruction of liberty, schools and collages closed .. travel restrictions .... and not a blind bit of difference

I've not heard anybody claim you can stop it. You can slow the spread thereby saving the healthcare system from being overwhelmed.

If the efforts so far have not had the desired effect, then going by what I have heard and read about what is going on in England I would have to put it down to far to large a minority of the population simply ignoring the rules and encouraging the virus to spread. It's a very sociable virus, when people get together for what normally would be a nice convivial time, party, meal, pub, it takes advantage of this to spread.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

A forlorn hope, it would seem.

34mins and 0:3...oh dear!

It was - a shocker for Frank & Co.

 

[slowmotion]

This is exactly why it’s a basket case now, NZ, AUS etc all managed to nip this quick by hitting hard. I’m sure the residents of these countries were pissed about that as well. However it’s worked out ok looking in . UK Gov along with some of EU brethren have f.... this up big time.

Perhaps a few thousand miles of Pacific Ocean might have had a teenie weenie bit to do with that? Hawaii's doing well too. Go figure.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Perhaps a few thousand miles of Pacific Ocean might have had a teenie weenie bit to do with that? Hawaii's doing well too. Go figure.

And population density (approx' figures):

UK 68m people in 94 000 sq miles

NZ 5m people in 104 000 sq miles

Australia 26m people in 2 900 000 sq miles

 

[winjim]

Yes we do.

Make sure that you have identified 100% of infective people, keep them isolated from everyone else until they're no longer infective, and make sure that nobody else infective enters the population.

It's basically what New Zealand and Australia did.

Yes but it was easy for them, being island nations and all.

 

[screenman]

Our local vaccination centre which is 20 miles away is getting 975 doses every week or two according to a letter written by somebody who works there, each person needs two doses and they have 90,000 people to cover.
Bit early in the morning for my brain but that reads like 4 years, hopefully things will speed up.

 

[IaninSheffield]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...atest&country=AUS~DEU~JPN~NZL~SGP~THA~GBR~VNM

Perhaps a few thousand miles of Pacific Ocean might have had a teenie weenie bit to do with that? Hawaii's doing well too. Go figure.

True, but there are other less isolated countries which had better success rates. See above.

And population density (approx' figures):

UK 68m people in 94 000 sq miles

NZ 5m people in 104 000 sq miles

Australia 26m people in 2 900 000 sq miles

And there are countries with similar population densities which outperformed us too. Notwithstanding the fact that population density is a blunt metric, given its unequal distribution. Wellington, Auckland, Melbourne and Sydney probably have not too dissimilar pop densities to Manchester, Leeds and Leicester.

Perhaps it is important to acknowledge the multifactorial nature of a country's success or otherwise in dealing with the pandemic?

 

[MrGrumpy]

Perhaps a few thousand miles of Pacific Ocean might have had a teenie weenie bit to do with that? Hawaii's doing well too. Go figure.

See Iain in Sheffields post above, they stopped travel in and out !! Effectively starved the virus !! We could have, should have but well the rest is history now..... Incompetent and indefensible.

 

[screenman]

Maybe this country is not full of people that will listen to advise, I am not a Boris fan but if he tells people to do something and they do not do it is it his fault.

 

[srw]

Yes but it was easy for them, being island nations and all.

I wonder what this slate grey wet stuff is all around the borders of Great Britain?

 

[winjim]

Maybe this country is not full of people that will listen to advise, I am not a Boris fan but if he tells people to do something and they do not do it is it his fault.

It is if he has set a bad example by not admonishing his own advisors when they do the same.