According to the graun, PHE defend the idea in exceptional circumstances, and say that studies are in progress:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...defend-contingency-plan-to-mix-covid-vaccines
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...defend-contingency-plan-to-mix-covid-vaccines
Rocky
Hello decadence
It's an interesting concept mixing two vaccines with different approaches to stimulating an immune response. One from mRNA to generate the Covid virus spike protein and one to insert the same protein into the body via a viral vector. I'm not an immunologist and last studied it 45 years ago as a biochemistry student, however it seems to me that both vaccines are aiming at the same effect - producing an immune response to the spike protein. I'm not sure if mixing them would really be effective but logic tells me that it just might.
I'm rather hoping we've got some immunologists on CC who could help us out.
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midlife
Guru
Only anecdotal but here in Carlisle under tier 4 our cases are rising and the hospital has nearly the same beds occupied with Covid as April.
Landsurfer
Veteran
Wonder if the elephant in the room is that we can't stop it, whatever we do ... 10 months of lockdown, masks, economy trashed, restrictions, destruction of liberty, schools and collages closed .. travel restrictions .... and not a blind bit of difference .... here we are ... highest daily infection rates ever .... Just a thought .... again.
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- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Sorry to hear that @midlife
Whilst I don't want to add to anecdotal info' as it really doesn't help the situation but I honestly believe that the T4 case rising scenario is probably more about people breaching the T4 rules as opposed to new variant Covid sidestepping them. Not sure that I have explained the last bit very well - sorry.
Following our Happy New Year phone calls to friends and family we are now up to 8 households who flagrantly put two fingers up to T4.
Six of these are households, with very well educated occupants, who absolutely understand the risk modelling involved (as far as that has been revealed to the GBP) have just been utterly selfish and irresponsible.
The other two households, well I'm not sure that they even understand why the moon shines. Given up explaining the rationale to them - they either can't understand or just don't want their cosy (highly integrated, all need to talk to each other several times a day can't live without seeing each other most days) lifestyles disrupted.
Sorry if this sounds grumpy but I've 'had it' with a good number of people by now.
Rocky
Hello decadence
I'm not sure many people are taking the social distancing seriously enough. IMO mixed messages from politicians and some scientists are not helping. Just to back up my point, have a look at this graph....mostly populated by Oxford scientists' pronouncements......
Some countries have pretty much eradicated Covid (see NZ or Aus for example) but it takes leadership, clear messages and fast action. That way people don't die and the economy doesn't get trashed.
Landsurfer
Veteran
Well that was then and this is now, people have died and the economy is trashed ... so what next .... more and more of the same ?
Continue with blaming the populace at every opportunity, railing on about people flouting rules ....
Bottom line. The Rules don't work.
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kingrollo
Guru
I would disagree. Whilst they are in place lockdowns thus far have worked at slowing the spread. Not saying they aren't a massive pain in the ass , and as soon they are lifted the whole thing starts moving again.
The big unknown is the new variant and if T4 restrictions are enough to stop it.
Rocky
Hello decadence
We could maintain social distancing, wear masks, get vaccinated (when it's available), and cut all unnecessary travel. Some of us are doing that but many are ignoring it and making things worse for everyone, including themselves.
Landsurfer
Veteran
Massive pain in the ass ... fancy telling that to a room full of people who have lost their incomes, work , homes .... hope your a quick runner.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
Landsurfer
Veteran
We're not ignoring it ... we go to work daily, we travel to support standby generation for hospitals, we work in the supermarkets you insist on staying open ..... we have followed the rules for nearly a year and it's getting worse.
Another thing to consider, vaccinating the vulnerable. 9 months ago their where X vulnerable, lots died.
A whole new wave of vulnerable have appeared as a result of NHS neglect. A second wave. We will be vaccinating the vulnerable until the sun goes out at this rate.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
In common with most reasonable people, I am dismayed that so many appear so welded to their precious Christmas and New Year parties, and general socialising, so as to put their lives and the lives of others at risk.
Which is a very long sentence for me, but not half as long as the sentence I would give the knackers who do it.
Which is a very long sentence for me, but not half as long as the sentence I would give the knackers who do it.
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- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Seriously? Pretty much the entire global community of field related experts has got it wrong?
They (rules) work, it's the people that ignore them that impinge on their effectiveness.
Without responding with a 'look at all the deaths and the caseload numbers' reply can you explain why the rules don't work as you claim?
FWIW I'm as shocked and concerned at the economic damage thus far caused as you are but without any rules I'm pretty sure we'd have been sunk by now.
