vickster
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COVID Vaccine !
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
On a less flippant note, this policy is a response to what is now a catastrophic situation for UK public health.
We're faced with an absolute emergency, and I don't think it's realised just how bad things are.
The rate of increase of the new strain is now ahead of any feasible vaccination programme. Thus, any vaccinations, even if slightly less effective, will directly save lives. At a very rough guess, the proposed change in approach might save 100,000 souls. Perhaps many more if our health service is completely overwhelmed. It's that bad.
Scientifically, all these vaccines work in a very similar way, by tricking the body into making the surface spike protein. So you can reasonably expect a second dose from any of the vaccines to boost immunity in a similar way. Of course that's not absolutely certain until tested.
The protection in the short term from a single dose looks very good. The second dose is required more for long term immune memory.
Alongside the vaccination, the govt needs to get out of denial and impose a strict national lockdown. The emergency measures on vaccination need an emergency response across the board to go with them.
Finally, sorry that my first response was rather grumpy. My middle son has tested positive and the whole household is now apprehensively in isolation.
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
I need to stay of Twitter , too many nut jobs. Who are convinced this virus is the great reset. Governments out to reduce the population of the world and that it’s all to do with Bill Gates.
I know, idiots, right?
It's Bezos who's running the show. Gates is so last millennium.
I'll be the first to admit that I have certain intellectual shortfalls, and I'm certainly neither an immunologist nor a virologist.
Hopefully someone on here knows better than I do, so I'm going to phrase it as a question rather than a hypothesis.
- Does messing with vaccination schedules and possibly mixing different ones risk a weakened - but stronger than if unvaccinated - immune response that doesn't quite eliminate the virus in hosts, and that those virus cells that survive the initial immune response would be more likely to be selected under Darwinian selection?
By doing this, are we this risking the rise of a new, more resistant strain?
I know that unlike antibiotics and bacteria, the vaccine doesn't directly attack the virus cells, it trains the immune response to do so, so I am happy to accept that the antibiotic resistance model doesn't apply and that I am probably wrong here.
Hopefully someone on here knows better than I do, so I'm going to phrase it as a question rather than a hypothesis.
- Does messing with vaccination schedules and possibly mixing different ones risk a weakened - but stronger than if unvaccinated - immune response that doesn't quite eliminate the virus in hosts, and that those virus cells that survive the initial immune response would be more likely to be selected under Darwinian selection?
By doing this, are we this risking the rise of a new, more resistant strain?
I know that unlike antibiotics and bacteria, the vaccine doesn't directly attack the virus cells, it trains the immune response to do so, so I am happy to accept that the antibiotic resistance model doesn't apply and that I am probably wrong here.
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
You're right in principle, though nobody knows how likely this is in reality.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/kearnsneuro/status/1345150320205324288
Incidentally, viruses come as virions rather than cells.
https://www.britannica.com/science/virion
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Distribution update of the Oxford variant from the Beeb, ready to go from Monday:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55515831
Presumably we should start seeing a significant dent in the number of deaths each day quite quickly as the initial vaccination targets are groups that have suffered disproportionately more than others.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55515831
Presumably we should start seeing a significant dent in the number of deaths each day quite quickly as the initial vaccination targets are groups that have suffered disproportionately more than others.
Rocky
Hello decadence
That is very good news - nice to have some hope going into 2021.
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kingrollo
Guru
Does your hope factor in the new variant (covid 20 !) - which has been reported to spread even under T4 restrictions.
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there's a story currently on bbc text news that the British Medical Journal has asked the New York Times to correct a story claiming that the UK intends to mix and match.
