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Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
I think the target to offer all over 18s a third dose by end Jan is, as they say, a stretch target, but achievable.
Let's convert that 'offer by' to 'jab by' and say end Feb.
Vast majority of the 18-25s will have received their second jab by end September so the new '3 months after 2nd jab criterion' has no limiting effect.
Current situation (data from ONS, gov.uk dashboard and a bit of bbc for age cohort uptake (so far)):
Population of UK = 67M, Under 12s: 9.6M, Under 18s = 14M, Over 18s 53M
Total – first dose
51,020,285 (of which about 1.3M are 12-15 (40% uptake) and 0.9M are 16-17 (58% uptake))
So 48M adults (5M unvaccinated)
Total – second dose
46,431,662 (assume all are adults)
Total – booster/third dose
19,015,975
Assume minimal more adult first dose uptake (unless the UK descends into some authoritarian state behaviour).
Deduction: not many more adult O/18 second doses to give - allow 1M
Another 1.8M first doses needed for 12-17s (assume 90% uptake, likely over-estimate) - allow 2M
Second doses for 12-17s - allow 4M (90% uptake)
Third/booster doses (assumes all adults who get second dose (46.4 + 1 =) 47.4M) will take up offer of third) = (47.4 -19 =) allow 28M
So from 1 Dec to 28 Feb - 35M doses required. 90 days (including public holidays).
Required rate: average of 389k doses per day.
Current doses jabbed per day (7 day average) = 427k and average has been over 400k per day for over 3 weeks now.
 
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Landsurfer

Veteran
After my third jab for a virus which i’ve caught and recovered from, watching the MSN hysteria over a variant which we have no threat level knowledge off .... i’ve had enough ... if anyone wants my 4th -28th jab they can have it ...........:okay:
 
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C R

Guru
Location
Worcester
After my third jab for a virus which i’ve caught and recovered from, watching the MSN hysteria over a variant which we have no threat level knowledge off .... i’ve had enough ... if anyone wants my 4th -28th jab they can have it ...........:okay:
We are all fed up. Unfortunately, the disease will not go away just because we are fed up or we ignore it, more likely, if we stop taking care it will get worse.
 
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fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
We are all fed up. Unfortunately, the disease will not go away just because we are fed up or we ignore it, more likely, if we stop taking care it will get worse.

Quite. All we can hope is the disease mutates enough to be much less harmful, but spreads like colds do. It's still killing people, and the rest of the world still has a long way to go to catch up with vaccines than us 'rich' countries.
 

Landsurfer

Veteran
We are all fed up. Unfortunately, the disease will not go away just because we are fed up or we ignore it, more likely, if we stop taking care it will get worse.
How is it going to get worse! If we all have antibodies, if we all have active T cells, if the vaccines and boosters work ... Just how will it get worse ...
Fear porn never stops does it ...
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
How is it going to get worse! If we all have antibodies, if we all have active T cells, if the vaccines and boosters work ... Just how will it get worse ...
Fear porn never stops does it ...
You don’t seem to have taken into account the latest scientific knowledge in your claims. People who have been infected by original COVID strains or immunised have immunity to them. As COVID has mutated, it still raises a response but provides immunity to early variants but not, for example, against Omicron to the degree expected. Thus health services are reporting cases of serious infection even though it is thought those individuals should have immunity. It is called imprinting.

https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(21)00177-0
 

Landsurfer

Veteran
You don’t seem to have taken into account the latest scientific knowledge in your claims. People who have been infected by original COVID strains or immunised have immunity to them. As COVID has mutated, it still raises a response but provides immunity to early variants but not, for example, against Omicron to the degree expected. Thus health services are reporting cases of serious infection even though it is thought those individuals should have immunity. It is called imprinting.

https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(21)00177-0
Serious infection ..... anyone dying ..... lots and lots of people dying of cancer while the Covid Brigade keep the fear going ..... 141 people sadly died with or of Covid yesterday ... but over 1500 died of other causes, many of them possibly as a result of being ignored by the health system over the last 2 years ...
Proportionate Response ... is the way forward .... End the Fear Porn.
 
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Serious infection ..... anyone dying ..... lots and lots of people dying of cancer while the Covid Brigade keep the fear going ..... 141 people sadly died with or of Covid yesterday ... but over 1200 died of other causes many of them possibly as a result of being ignored by the health system over the last 2 years ...
Proportionate Response ... is the way forward ....
Surely the best way to stop people dying from other causes due to hospital overload would be to reduce the number of covid cases and thereby reduce covid hospitalisations? What's the suggested alternative? Ignoring covid won't reduce the numbers hospitalised, unless we deny covid sufferers treatment.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
Mmmm I bet thats the first time an article in Cell has been called Fear Porn.
 

icowden

Veteran
Location
Surrey
Surely the best way to stop people dying from other causes due to hospital overload would be to reduce the number of covid cases and thereby reduce covid hospitalisations? What's the suggested alternative? Ignoring covid won't reduce the numbers hospitalised, unless we deny covid sufferers treatment.

Worth adding that GPs, Nurses, Surgeons, Consultants are all human and can contract Covid. The more Covid there is, the more likely it is that the Surgeon carrying out your surgery is off sick.

Covid has a massive impact on health care. We have a shortage of doctors and nurses as is thanks to reasons only mentionable on the NACA forum.
Sensible precautions to reduce the spread of infection aren't a restriction on your civil liberties. They are just politeness.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
Also, if intensive care and high dependency units are full of Covid patients, those beds and staff aren't available for elective post surgical patients who've had major operations - so those operations will be postponed. You also need some available just in case patients need more post-op support than anticipated, for trauma cases and so on
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Serious infection ..... anyone dying ..... lots and lots of people dying of cancer while the Covid Brigade keep the fear going ..... 141 people sadly died with or of Covid yesterday ... but over 1500 died of other causes, many of them possibly as a result of being ignored by the health system over the last 2 years ...
Proportionate Response ... is the way forward .... End the Fear Porn.
That's what called baseless speculation if ever I've seen it.

Consider, if you can, how many of these 'other causes' are contagious? How many of these 'other causes' put healthcare workers at risk? You're not going to catch cancer form someone who's got cancer are you!
 

markemark

Über Member
My dad’s oldest friend died of cancer. He died because his surgeon was ill with covid so cancelled the operation he needed.
People with covid are filling hospitals and keeping people away from work. If we want to get the nhs going again, we need to hammer covid as best as we can.
 
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