COVID Vaccine !

[classic33]

Again, totally different to me and people I know.

For everyone with an opinion like the above one there is probably one exactly the opposite, it just appears most posters on here are similar.

No right or wrong.

There's no right or wrong, because of the variations amongst any given group of folk on this.

 

[Deleted User]

I assume you're agreeing with me?

 

[classic33]

I assume you're agreeing with me?

You assume wrongly.

 

[Deleted User]

You assume wrongly.

Sorry,

I said there's no right or wrong and then you said it?

 

[Ajax Bay]

Group 6 was estimated to be 7.3 million people and with last week's UHCs it may be something like 9 million.

I think it was suggested that the additional element to be added into Gp 6 was estimated to be 825k, as the rest were already in higher groups so already vaccinated.
I have been trying to see if the number in Group 6 has been shared authoritatively, but without much success.
If anyone has a decent link, please share.
Best I could do is this paper: 'UK prevalence of underlying conditions which increase the risk of severe COVID-19'
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.24.20179192v1
8M has separately been suggested, but I think that a proportion of that 8M (includes unpaid carers) have already been included in earlier cohorts. My calculation suggests 4M in (JCVI 30 Dec) Gp 6* and add 825k (as above).

*32M is a widely shared figure for the total of Gps 1-9 (but add 825k (as above)).
14M in Gps 1-4.
11M in Gps 7-9 (aged 50-64) ONS stats give 13M but maybe 2M of those ages will have been vaccinated in higher groups because of morbidity (Gps 4 and 6), NHS and other heath and care workers.
Leaves 7M Gps 5-6.
3M in Gp 5 (65-69) - 3.4M (less maybe 400k in Gp 4).

 

[lane]

I haven't. I'm not in a priority group. I'm in the "to be thrown under the bus on 21 June" group under the current plans.

I think it is quite unlikely that the lifting of all restrictions on the 21st June will happen so you may have nothing to worry about. What predictions has Boris made about the medium term have have proved correct? I can't think of any off hand. These dates are primarily aimed at keeping his backbenches on board for a while longer.

 

[matticus]

Debate by telepathy ...

Or you could just answer the questions... and if you do care, maybe the obvious follow-up question of how you reconcile unnecessary cases with that.

... and right on its heels, debate by cross-examination.
"YES OR NO, YOU MUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! AND PROVIDE EVIDENCE "

I wasn't sure if I cared about death, sickness, PTSD, mental health of other people ... but then I came to CycleChat and was soon told that I don't.
Phew! Big weight off my mind - I can now debate without worrying about troubling issues like morality.👍

 

[marinyork]

Again, totally different to me and people I know.

For everyone with an opinion like the above one there is probably one exactly the opposite, it just appears most posters on here are similar.

No right or wrong.

On NACA there are certainly many WFH, there's no doubt about that. There are people that have to go to work, otherwise everything would have ground to a halt. Some of those people have had to take a lot of risks, or paid for it. There are people who have WFH and been to work for stints before being sent home again, I'm not one of them.

It depends what you mean by worry. During and after the first wave I did work out that I worry about it a lot more than other people, maybe more than 90% of people and initially I thought I was in the top quarter. On the other hand I was fairly open to socialising in as safe and limited way as possible last summer because I realised a second wave would very likely come from September onwards (we were told this in Jan/Feb). I really would be doing very poorly had I not. I do know of two people in their 20s/early 30s who have literally locked themselves away for a year.

My friend says things like scared to death, frightened and fear of the virus, so I'm quite used to people saying that. The thing that he gets a bit funny about is that he almost talks as if I wish this state of affairs. Um, no. I would love to go back to the office and various things restart. I think quite a few on here would say well if it was safe I'd like to go back to the office one or two days a week. It seems very all or nothing with employers though. I suspect it's that that worries quite a few.

 

[marinyork]

Again, totally different to me and people I know.

I'm not just interested in the work side of things.

You are also saying that people you know are having fairly normal levels of socialisation in person (pubs and many venues are closed and I'm not suggesting anyone is breaking rules)?

 

[marinyork]

Interesting article on a number of levels (apologies to non-Guardian readers) about vaccine disparities and ideas to remedy things.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...to-door-covid-jabs-tackle-vaccine-disparities

 

[marinyork]

I think it is quite unlikely that the lifting of all restrictions on the 21st June will happen so you may have nothing to worry about. What predictions has Boris made about the medium term have have proved correct? I can't think of any off hand. These dates are primarily aimed at keeping his backbenches on board for a while longer.

You might well be right that there won't be weddings with 400 people indoors. However the 17th May has 10,000 seated people or 25% capacity whichever is larger for large outdoor venues as well as 1,000 indoor sport or half capacity.

 

[mjr]

[...] but just because you're frightened to death of this disease doesn't mean the decisions are wrong.

When you have to start making shoot up about the person you're replying to, you've lost the argument.

This isn't some young carefree young sprog speaking either, I'm 56 this year.

To be offered vaccination before the lifting, in other words.

 

[lane]

You might well be right that there won't be weddings with 400 people indoors. However the 17th May has 10,000 seated people or 25% capacity whichever is larger for large outdoor venues as well as 1,000 indoor sport or half capacity.

If it happens. No guarantee let's wait and see. Especially what happens after 8th March when schools go back. If that doesn't work out so well may push the other dates back.

 

[Deleted User]

When you have to start making shoot up about the person you're replying to, you've lost the argument.


To be offered vaccination before the lifting, in other words.

You are feeling sorry for yourself, it's not an argument to be won or lost it's my opinion compared to yours and the reason I think you've got that opinion.

 

[classic33]

Isn't the situation bad enough, without having to resort to personal insults!