COVID Vaccine !

[Landsurfer]

Genuinely interesting. Which figures do you have in mind?

Your not interested, pick any figures which suit your stance... There should be a name for this type of response on forums ... sort of “Nuremberg Defence” for posters ....

 

[newfhouse]

Your not interested, pick any figures which suit your stance... There should be a name for this type of response on forums ... sort of “Nuremberg Defence” for posters ....

Whose orders do you think I’m following?

(Still wondering which figures you think have been criminally falsified.)

 

[oldwheels]

...bit like myself. Still not 100% sure if I want it or not, but no doubt I will cave in too. I would rather have had a couple of years to ensure there’s no unexpected long term side effects.

A rock and a hard place really. I took the vaccine but at my advanced age long term effects don't bother me too much. While the existing vaccines don't seem to give 100% protection at least it lessens my chances of being infected in what is left of my lifetime.

 

[Domus]

My own simple way of thinking is, the more people get the vaccine, the smaller the pool who will catch it and put the NHS and economy under stress. Every day the pool is getting smaller which is a good thing.

 

[Ajax Bay]

do not let those who’s terrible management, lack of leadership and criminal falsification of figures, which has led to the collapse of our economy, hide behind this great success ..... Do not forget ..... Do not let them escape the scrutiny they deserve ....

Hope you don't mind me saying so, but this is the 'vaccine' thread. Might you have confused this thread with another one?
Perhaps this one: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/page-1125 ?
The country needs to get out of this pandemic and prosper. The UK's early, fast vaccination programme will allow productivity to recover and an improving economy will generate more jobs, and, and.

 

[pawl]

Not too chipper here, I was fine all day, went to bed at 23.00 and woke up at 01.00 with uncontrollable shivers. Had some water and two paracetamol but could not get warm, put on a thermal base layer and shivered under the duvet for a couple of hours. Finally warmed up at 03.00 but by then my brain was running at 100 mph. Dozed off around 05.00 and woke up ravenous at 06.30. Been tired and lethargic all day now.

Speaking to friends of my age group (66) this is fairly common with the AZ vaccine, mostly men. Mrs Domus has had no reaction at all and is fighting fit.

I had my jab 9 days ago.and had similar reactions.Larthargic and no energy day after jab.Next day cold and shivery Arm was a bit painful. No problems after that Mine was Pfizer vaccine.

 

[Domus]

Feeling back to normal today, had a good sleep last night. Still got a sore arm though.

 

[tom73]

See the government has given Gp's an extra 10 quid to help with house calls to get the vaccine to ones who can't leave home.
Due the extra cost it has inc staffing say's Hancock boy the man is a clown it won't even cover the staff costs.

 

[nickyboy]

See the government has given Gp's an extra 10 quid to help with house calls to get the vaccine to ones who can't leave home.
Due the extra cost it has inc staffing say's Hancock boy the man is a clown it won't even cover the staff costs.

It is an extra £10 per vaccination given. This is on top of the normal payment for a vaccination (£10.06) and the additional payment given for Covid vaccinations (£2.52). So the total per vaccination is £25.68. This equally applies when a GP visits a care home and multiple vaccinations (at £25.68 per vaccination) can be given. Sounds like quite a nice situation for a GP if he has to handle the vaccination of a care home, balanced by the situation of a single vaccination home visit.

Explain why this payment system doesn't cover the GP's costs

 

[srw]

Explain why this payment system doesn't cover the GP's costs

https://jobs.rcgp.org.uk/jobs/locum-sessional-gp/

A locum GP gets between £60 and £100 per hour. Which means the cost to the hiring GP is higher, because there will be agency fees and other on-costs. Whether the hiring GP sends the locum to vaccinate or does it themselves and hires a locum for regular surgery work, or simply absorbs the extra work that's the economic cost of the vaccination work.

At the very bottom end of £60 an hour ignoring on-costs, £25 is 25 minutes. Even in a town, good luck doing a vaccination via a home visit every 25 minutes allowing for travel.

Taking a more realistic approach to true economic cost, £25 is about 10 minutes of GP time.

 

[Ajax Bay]

See the government has given Gp's an extra 10 quid to help with house calls to get the vaccine to ones who can't leave home.
Due the extra cost it has inc staffing say's Hancock boy the man is a clown it won't even cover the staff costs.

NHS England said (9 Nov) (agreed with the BMA) that the “Item of Service fee” for a COVID-19 vaccine would be £12.58 per dose.
On 30 Dec the NHS set out the arrangements for an additional supplement of £10 per dose on top of the item of service fee for all vaccines delivered in a care home setting (ending 31 Jan). I presume (can't find) that this has now been (perfectly reasonably) extended to individual house visits (far less generous). Visit a care home and give 50 jabs (3 staff, 2 hours) means a combined fee of £1129.
Do you think that GPs will make or lose money providing jabs, @tom73 (I have no idea)? I can see that an extra tenner for each house call will be a close call: what amount do you suggest would be 'cost neutral'? Perhaps the £12.58 per dose fee already included an element to recognise that some house calls would be needed.
Perhaps a separate (yet local) arrangement (not through GPs) could address these many elderly/immobile/housebound people? But I thought you were an advocate of keeping this under local/primary care control (I broadly think that should be the cornerstone of the whole effort, as well).

 

[nickyboy]

https://jobs.rcgp.org.uk/jobs/locum-sessional-gp/

A locum GP gets between £60 and £100 per hour. Which means the cost to the hiring GP is higher, because there will be agency fees and other on-costs. Whether the hiring GP sends the locum to vaccinate or does it themselves and hires a locum for regular surgery work, or simply absorbs the extra work that's the economic cost of the vaccination work.

At the very bottom end of £60 an hour ignoring on-costs, £25 is 25 minutes. Even in a town, good luck doing a vaccination via a home visit every 25 minutes allowing for travel.

Taking a more realistic approach to true economic cost, £25 is about 10 minutes of GP time.

A couple of things

1) Is it the GPs or locums actually doing the care home/home visit vaccinations? When I had a flu jab at the surgery it wasn't a GP. If it isn't a GP doing it then your numbers are irrelevant; it would be someone cheaper

2) You've conveniently ignored the fact that Care Home vaccinations are multiples of £25.68. As I said in my earlier post, these visits (which look to be very profitable for GPs) balance the single home visits (which don't look very profitable). For GPs the care home visits are the meat to go with the home visit bone

 

[Mo1959]

I thought there might already be some promising figures in care homes up here given that’s where they started vaccinating but it’s sadly not looking great so far.

 

[srw]

conveniently

You know what people are saying about snark?

I've also forgotten that vaccinated patients need to be monitored for 15 minutes.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I thought there might already be some promising figures in care homes up here given that’s where they started vaccinating but it’s sadly not looking great so far.

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Plenty news around the care homes in Fife and the deaths recently after vaccination. However I was of the understanding that you had to wait 2-3 weeks for the effects to work ?!