Mo1959
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...bit like myself. Still not 100% sure if I want it or not, but no doubt I will cave in too. I would rather have had a couple of years to ensure there’s no unexpected long term side effects.
COVID Vaccine !
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Ajax Bay
Guru
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- East Devon
@Milzy Do you know what changed their mind? Are they from a community which has a higher hesitancy rate?
@Landsurfer - I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that hesitant/sceptical approach, noting that the 'rushed' description is their view (not mine), and to adopt an "Let's see how it goes for the first few million people vaccinated" tactic. Of course that does rely on over a million of UK's over 80s to lead the way. I think to earn the status of 'anti-vaxxer' one has to not only say you're not sure about accepting a new vaccine but advocate that others should adopt your view.
Personally I trust the scientists and the reported results of clinical trials, and regulatory authorities around the world.
Edit: Hesitancy study (Dec 2020): https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk
Survey suggests that what matters most is the way people think about a number of key issues relating to a COVID-19 vaccine, specifically:
• the potential collective benefit
• the likelihood of COVID-19 infection
• the effectiveness of a vaccine
• its side-effects
• the speed of vaccine development
@Landsurfer - I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that hesitant/sceptical approach, noting that the 'rushed' description is their view (not mine), and to adopt an "Let's see how it goes for the first few million people vaccinated" tactic. Of course that does rely on over a million of UK's over 80s to lead the way. I think to earn the status of 'anti-vaxxer' one has to not only say you're not sure about accepting a new vaccine but advocate that others should adopt your view.
Personally I trust the scientists and the reported results of clinical trials, and regulatory authorities around the world.
Edit: Hesitancy study (Dec 2020): https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk
Survey suggests that what matters most is the way people think about a number of key issues relating to a COVID-19 vaccine, specifically:
• the potential collective benefit
• the likelihood of COVID-19 infection
• the effectiveness of a vaccine
• its side-effects
• the speed of vaccine development
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The uptake in the first cohorts is very good with c85% vaccinated (for us) in the first three and interestingly we have had less than 1% of patients fail to attend which is excellent compared to normal Did Not Attends.
As @Ajax Bay says, the younger cohorts will be lower uptake for a number of reasons but demand is still strong and certainly in excess of vaccine supply.
As @Ajax Bay says, the younger cohorts will be lower uptake for a number of reasons but demand is still strong and certainly in excess of vaccine supply.
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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If you're still having a problem, I've heard the bloke at Elvis's chip shop knows how to fix it.
I don’t have an issue with anyone who is hesitant about having the vaccine as long as that is rational and not influenced by untruths which sadly are rife in the BAME communities - exactly those who are at greatest risk.
it is a personal choice and we should respect that.
I do have an issue with those pedalling lies and conspiracy theories.
it is a personal choice and we should respect that.
I do have an issue with those pedalling lies and conspiracy theories.
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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St George's Hospital, Tooting, reported a 10% no-show rate for vaccinations on pre-booked appointments.
That is high. It does depend on how they were booked. We have made the decision to phone the first two cohorts and have now opened it to on line bookings for the latest cohorts which is proving very popular and effective as it means we can direct our resources to those without on line access and those who need additional support.
They may well have a double booking issue.
I had my jab at the local hub at my GP surgery on Wednesday, yesterday (friday) I got a text invitation to book for a first jab at George's
slowmotion
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The deal here (W14, west London) seems to be that you are notified by email from your GP, simultaneously notified by post, and are invited to book a slot for a local vaccination centre via a website. If you can't be arsed to turn up after going through all those stages, I despair.
I totally agree and the risk is a wasted vaccine if they don’t have people on standby who can get there before the vaccine expires.
Ajax Bay
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I reported what Hancock said pm Friday (5 Feb) - BBC radio. Having previously done the maths and shared on here an estimated date for vaccinating (offered) all of the first phase (Gps 1-9) them on here, the disparity between the 'end of May' target and my figures seemed stark. Since the Prime Minister's announcement on 4 Jan of the target to offer Gps 1-4 a jab by 15 Mar was (well seemed to be then) a 'stretch target' (as inter alia @srw and @mjr implicitly assessed), I'm surprised that the Secretary of State and DHSC decided to broadcast such a conservative target.
I suppose it was chosen as part of a wider message to:
* the public to hang on in there (adhere to current restrictions, please),
* to offer an achievement (of sorts) to which the nation and those in the huge vaccination set-up (of which we can be increasingly proud) could look forward, and
* to manage expectations.
Maybe it was just putting the name of a month to 'in the spring' which has been mooted for some time as the expectation. But a target which prima facie seems 'too easy' lacks credibility. The VTF - good interview with Dix yesterday, I thought - are unsurprisingly extremely confident the end of May 'target' would be hit - and he mentioned that 32M were estimated to be in the first phase cohort. Or maybe the NHS are wary that there will be foreseen or unforeseen bumps on the road: will the rate of supply remain robust?
Perhaps the Times uses CycleChat as a source and has a journalist capable of doing primary school arithmetic, 'More or Less'.
I note that CEO AZ had suggested (27 Jan) that Britain will hit 30 million vaccinations by the end of March, as he accused EU countries of being “emotional” about delays in their immunisation programmes. (The Times). I reckon he'd done the math as well.
6 Feb: 11.4M
Rate (conservative): 2.5Mpw, so in 5 weeks:
13 Mar: 23.9M (+ 0.6M second doses already given)
Then half to second doses so first dose rate drops to 1.25M
10 Apr: 28.9M (after 4 weeks) (+ >5M second doses)
28 Apr: 32.1M (another 18 days)
Looking further forward still:
Adult population of UK estimated at 54M. 85% herd immunity - 46M - about 11 weeks to get to that - 17 July. This doesn't take into account the 9M 4-16 year olds (ONS figures), nor the number in the by then unvaccinated cohort who still retain residual immunity having had the disease already - maybe 1M (confidence level low). And the 85% figure depends on transmissibility of whichever variant is prevalent by then, and the extent to which the various vaccines prevent (or reduce) transmission as well as serious infection (emerging data).
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Landsurfer
Veteran
Tremendous ... all those protected and safe people .... with no jobs to go to and the prospect of benefit living for the future.
As posted there is much to be proud of with the roll out of the vaccines .. but do not let those who’s terrible management, lack of leadership and criminal falsification of figures, which has led to the collapse of our economy, hide behind this great success .....
Do not forget .....
Do not let them escape the scrutiny they deserve ....
The non covid deaths will now become our focus, those dying because of neglect will now be on all our radars ...... I hope.
As posted there is much to be proud of with the roll out of the vaccines .. but do not let those who’s terrible management, lack of leadership and criminal falsification of figures, which has led to the collapse of our economy, hide behind this great success .....
Do not forget .....
Do not let them escape the scrutiny they deserve ....
The non covid deaths will now become our focus, those dying because of neglect will now be on all our radars ...... I hope.
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newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
Genuinely interesting. Which figures do you have in mind?
