COVID Vaccine !
- Thread starter kingrollo
- Start date
Page may contain affiliate links. Please see terms for details.
Bring the Army in they move things in a timely and managed way all day long. They are also widely experienced in planning and
co-ordinationg large scale operations. With the help and experience of NHS at both national and local level this is do able it's a massive undertaking for sure. It won't be easy and it will effect other services how that's managed is up to the NHS as they are currently going.
As the law has been changed to open up to allow all professionals who work in occupational health. Anyone working in large companies it should be simple to roll it out in the work place even vet's have been giving the green light to help give them.
Bring in 3rd sector organisations who have a track recored of proving support to the NHS. To help provide support with both logistics and clinical support, admin support. Private sector will be required but the T and C's need to solid with formal open and transparent tendering process. Not as we are doing handing over vast sums of money to who ever they feel like with no come back. Serco don't even let Serco run health care in Serco prisons. They simply can't do this they can't even fix what we've already given them to do.
vickster
Legendary Member
Pfizer (and any subsequent companies that have a vaccine ready eg AZ, Sanofi) are going to be rather closely involved in the supply chain to get their vaccines to the end user in a safe, effective and timely manner in line with the regulatory approval and product label, eg the freezing, refrigeration, shelf life, packaging, dosing etc.
They're quite adept at distributing billions of doses of medicines and vaccines and so on in the correct manner every year around the world - they have enormous logistics and supply chain organisations. They will already be well into the planning for Covid vaccine (probably from the day they identified how it will need to be manufactured, distributed, stored and injected).
Any issues in manufacture, supply chain, product quality are already extremely closely monitored and reported, it's a legal obligation for every Pharma or Medical device company.
Getting the product to the end user isn't going to be left wholly to government (or the Healthcare system or the Army or any private business not specifically contracted by the manufacturer or whoever) in any country that's for certain
It's a bit different to the distribution of gloves and pinnies
They're quite adept at distributing billions of doses of medicines and vaccines and so on in the correct manner every year around the world - they have enormous logistics and supply chain organisations. They will already be well into the planning for Covid vaccine (probably from the day they identified how it will need to be manufactured, distributed, stored and injected).
Any issues in manufacture, supply chain, product quality are already extremely closely monitored and reported, it's a legal obligation for every Pharma or Medical device company.
Getting the product to the end user isn't going to be left wholly to government (or the Healthcare system or the Army or any private business not specifically contracted by the manufacturer or whoever) in any country that's for certain
It's a bit different to the distribution of gloves and pinnies
Pfizer (and any subsequent companies that have a vaccine ready eg AZ, Sanofi) are going to be rather closely involved in the supply chain to get their vaccines to the end user in a safe, effective and timely manner in line with the regulatory approval and product label, eg the freezing, refrigeration, shelf life, packaging, dosing etc.
They're quite adept at distributing billions of doses of medicines and vaccines and so on in the correct manner every year around the world - they have enormous logistics and supply chain organisations. They will already be well into the planning for Covid vaccine (probably from the day they identified how it will need to be manufactured, distributed, stored and injected).
Any issues in manufacture, supply chain, product quality are already extremely closely monitored and reported, it's a legal obligation for every Pharma or Medical device company.
Getting the product to the end user isn't going to be left wholly to government (or the Healthcare system or the Army or any private business not specifically contracted by the manufacturer or whoever) in any country that's for certain
It's a bit different to the distribution of gloves and pinnies
Spoil sport!
In the House of Commons, Matt Hancock says he has written to GPs to announce £150m to support the vaccine rollout and to let them know what they would be expected to do.
Now we're getting some details of what that will mean in England: NHS England has told each of the 1,250 primary care areas to nominate a GP surgery that could hold clinics from 8am to 8pm seven days a week, including on bank holidays if needed.
Documents suggest that each of these dedicated clinics will be expected to deliver a minimum of 975 doses per week and need to have the fridge space by 1 December.
Patients will need to be supervised for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine, and annual flu jabs and Covid-19 immunisations must be given at least a week apart.
Appointments for the vaccine - in two doses, given between 21 days and 28 days apart - will be managed through a national booking system, the documents say. Patients will be notified they are eligible and can then book with their nearby GP provider or choose another provider through the National Booking Service.
Hancock said earlier that pharmacies and dedicated clinics set up in public venues such as sports halls were also likely to be used.
What can possibly go wrong ? Just who is going to get access to all the GP's lists is not clear either. How big do they think a GP's surgery is just what are they supposes to do with all the ones who need care after having it. Better candidates for a vaccine better come along or this will be impossible to do any time soon.
Now we're getting some details of what that will mean in England: NHS England has told each of the 1,250 primary care areas to nominate a GP surgery that could hold clinics from 8am to 8pm seven days a week, including on bank holidays if needed.
Documents suggest that each of these dedicated clinics will be expected to deliver a minimum of 975 doses per week and need to have the fridge space by 1 December.
Patients will need to be supervised for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine, and annual flu jabs and Covid-19 immunisations must be given at least a week apart.
Appointments for the vaccine - in two doses, given between 21 days and 28 days apart - will be managed through a national booking system, the documents say. Patients will be notified they are eligible and can then book with their nearby GP provider or choose another provider through the National Booking Service.
Hancock said earlier that pharmacies and dedicated clinics set up in public venues such as sports halls were also likely to be used.
What can possibly go wrong ? Just who is going to get access to all the GP's lists is not clear either. How big do they think a GP's surgery is just what are they supposes to do with all the ones who need care after having it. Better candidates for a vaccine better come along or this will be impossible to do any time soon.
vickster
Legendary Member
Just trying to fill that CycleChat glass higher than a couple of dribbles
winjim
Smash the cistern
Chinese vaccine trial is on pause.
BBC News - Covid: China's Sinovac vaccine trial halted in Brazil
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54883383
BBC News - Covid: China's Sinovac vaccine trial halted in Brazil
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54883383
OP
OP
kingrollo
Guru
Someone has just been on sky news saying more or less the opposite of the above.Pfizer (and any subsequent companies that have a vaccine ready eg AZ, Sanofi) are going to be rather closely involved in the supply chain to get their vaccines to the end user in a safe, effective and timely manner in line with the regulatory approval and product label, eg the freezing, refrigeration, shelf life, packaging, dosing etc.
They're quite adept at distributing billions of doses of medicines and vaccines and so on in the correct manner every year around the world - they have enormous logistics and supply chain organisations. They will already be well into the planning for Covid vaccine (probably from the day they identified how it will need to be manufactured, distributed, stored and injected).
Any issues in manufacture, supply chain, product quality are already extremely closely monitored and reported, it's a legal obligation for every Pharma or Medical device company.
Getting the product to the end user isn't going to be left wholly to government (or the Healthcare system or the Army or any private business not specifically contracted by the manufacturer or whoever) in any country that's for certain
It's a bit different to the distribution of gloves and pinnies
vickster
Legendary Member
Who was it?
(Sky=Fox=Murdoch)
Do you really think a Global business that turned over $51bn last year is going to leave the distribution of its latest and highest profile development to chance and itself open to potentially destructive lawsuits?
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Yeah but that’s Sky news
They also have a track record of screwing all the money that can out of any health service inc ours. Poor countries tend to get even more special attention. They can be as organised as they like but without real work on the ground by professionals it will only ever stay in the box. That's the real critical part of this. We simply don't have enough people to do it in a safe timely manner. So unless they are feeling like bunging in a few quid to pay for it. Or even better handing over the rights to all for free for the good of humanity again don't think the share holders will like that.Pfizer (and any subsequent companies that have a vaccine ready eg AZ, Sanofi) are going to be rather closely involved in the supply chain to get their vaccines to the end user in a safe, effective and timely manner in line with the regulatory approval and product label, eg the freezing, refrigeration, shelf life, packaging, dosing etc.
They're quite adept at distributing billions of doses of medicines and vaccines and so on in the correct manner every year around the world - they have enormous logistics and supply chain organisations. They will already be well into the planning for Covid vaccine (probably from the day they identified how it will need to be manufactured, distributed, stored and injected).
Any issues in manufacture, supply chain, product quality are already extremely closely monitored and reported, it's a legal obligation for every Pharma or Medical device company.
Getting the product to the end user isn't going to be left wholly to government (or the Healthcare system or the Army or any private business not specifically contracted by the manufacturer or whoever) in any country that's for certain
It's a bit different to the distribution of gloves and pinnies
So GP's are expect to make this all work for £12.58 per dose given. That's £2.52 more than a flu jab the extra the government says is in recognition of the need for extra training, post-vaccine observation, and other associated costs.
Practices will need to provide most of the required staff from their own workforce. How can they possibly do it all ?
Practices will need to provide most of the required staff from their own workforce. How can they possibly do it all ?
OP
OP
kingrollo
Guru
Not really sure I have the insight to give much of a valid opinion. My guess would be that Pfizer would issue a distribution protocol - the challenge would to tie that in with current NHS standards. I could be wrong but the delivery and implementation of the Jabs wouldn't couldn't come from Pfizer. Even Hancock was implying later tonight that much of this will come down NHS staff.
OP
OP
kingrollo
Guru
Thats a good point - its reminds me of all the well meaning famine relief efforts in 1980's - everything was in place except the boots on the ground. - lessons were learned............ eventually.
Hancock said today that the NHS will be ready.
Well that sorted then, Matt will be free of any blame should it go horrible wrong.
After all he's tasked the them to be ready by the 1st Dec.
I had a boss like this, tell you to get something done and never considered the barriers that had to be crossed or did we have the resources.
Are there any Doctors on here? I'd like their view.
