COVID Vaccine !

[newfhouse]

I know nothing about vaccinating a population, no staff, no means of moving stuff at -70 degrees....... I'll put my tender in now. £2 billion should do it., Perfect retirement present to myself, beats working !

Which school did you attend?

 

[C R]

You sound just right Serco all be happy to sign you up for the subcontract.

I'll take the subsubcontract to supply the CO2 for the dry ice, I have already started filling up plastic bags with the air I exhale during my rides.

 

[kingrollo]

Maybe I'm being unduly negative but does anyone else see problems in the supply chain and administering the injection?
I heard this vaccine has a short life and needs storing at -80 c. What could possibly go wrong given this governments past failures.
I'm just hoping my fears are unfounded.

By the law of averages you must think Boris and his mates will get something right.

My heart did groan when I heard Boris say it will be an "NHS Led" (aka Serco) rollout. ! Why not just let the NHS do it ?

 

[newfhouse]

I've just watched this and it's done nothing to give me hope with government handling this well.
Thinking about the logistics being in place I don't think it very likely we'll have a 'World Beating' system.

We spent months failing to deliver latex gloves so I think you’re right. I wonder if one of the big accountancy firms could provide consultants or thought partners to help out?

 

[C R]

By the law of averages you must think Boris and his mates will get something right.

My heart did groan when I heard Boris say it will be an "NHS Led" (aka Serco) rollout. ! Why not just let the NHS do it ?

And how are the boards of Sicko and Crapita going to pay their yatch installments?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'll take the subsubcontract to supply the CO2 for the dry ice, I have already started filling up plastic bags with the air I exhale during my rides.

If you're supplying the market with bloated bags of fetid wind, there's a regular COVID press conference always on the lookout for new supplies.

 

[tom73]

And how are the boards of Sicko and Crapita going to pay their yatch installments?

Yes given that each contact T&T are just about finding is costing around 10K each. Lord knows what price tag each jab will have.

 

[tom73]

We spent months failing to deliver latex gloves so I think you’re right. I wonder if one of the big accountancy firms could provide consultants or thought partners to help out?

They did supply the gloves but they only counted them as single ones not pairs.

 

[CanucksTraveller]

What, you're all wary that the pre-selected "Dido Distribution Ltd" (a Serco company) won't be able to do this in a world, beating, oven ready way?
I wonder where all this cynicism comes from.

 

[srw]

Why not just let the NHS do it ?

The NHS is geared up to provide urgent and long-term healthcare in response to need - and even that it does in partnership with private enterprises (GP and dental surgeries and private pharmacies as well as the obvious private hospital chains). It's not geared up to provide two doses of a universal vaccine to 60 million people - it's a project an order of magnitude bigger than any other vaccination programme, and needs to be delivered more rapidly, more reliably and without disrupting anything else the NHS has to deliver.

The best possible model would have local NHS management in the lead and would rely very heavily on GP surgery lists - but you would need someone else to actually do the work.

 

[winjim]

They did supply the gloves but they only counted them as single ones not pairs.

They don't come in pairs.

 

[kingrollo]

The NHS is geared up to provide urgent and long-term healthcare in response to need - and even that it does in partnership with private enterprises (GP and dental surgeries and private pharmacies as well as the obvious private hospital chains). It's not geared up to provide two doses of a universal vaccine to 60 million people - it's a project an order of magnitude bigger than any other vaccination programme, and needs to be delivered more rapidly, more reliably and without disrupting anything else the NHS has to deliver.

The best possible model would have local NHS management in the lead and would rely very heavily on GP surgery lists - but you would need someone else to actually do the work.

Maybe not in terms of resources - but in expertise then personally I don't think anyone is better placed to deliver the vaccine than the NHS. Given the on going debacles with private companies of late the likes of SERCO should be a million miles away from this.

There is already massive disruption in the NHS - the hospital where I work has stripped back A+E and is cancelling most elective surgery. The idea that we can call in few private contractors whilst the NHS cracks on with everything else is a complete non starter IMO.

 

[srw]

Maybe not in terms of resources - but in expertise then personally I don't think anyone is better placed to deliver the vaccine than the NHS.

*Ahem*

The best possible model would have local NHS management in the lead and would rely very heavily on GP surgery lists

I am actually agreeing with you. But pointing out that there might well be a role for various outsourcing companies, possibly including Serco.

If we simply leave it entirely to the NHS you can kiss goodbye to any other treatments at all for months.

 

[tom73]

They don't come in pairs.

Sterile ones do.
One box is one box. One glove as PPE won't be of much use government figures on items of PPE based numbers on single gloves not pairs.
Which by magic turned one box into two that's a fiddle in anyone book.

 

[winjim]

Sterile ones do.
One box is one box. One glove as PPE won't be of much use government figures on items of PPE based numbers on single gloves not pairs.
Which by magic turned one box into two that's a fiddle in anyone book.

The ones mostly used as covid PPE aren't sterile. But one box is approximately 200 gloves. Not 100 pairs. And that's 200 by weight so there's a roughly 50% chance of it containing an odd number of gloves. And what if I put on my gloves but then one of them rips so I have to put on another one? That's 1.5 pairs.

I agree that individual gloves are the wrong metric to be assessing quantity of PPE, but the single / pairs thing is an absolute red herring.