Countries you have visited and will never go back.

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Profpointy

Legendary Member
Generally we have decided never to visit the USA again


there is enough in the UK and Europe to see and we do not want to go through the aggressive entry stuff again

also - we may want to go to Cuba - which apparently means you have to get a full Visa to visit anywhere in the US

We went to Cuba a few years back and found it interesting and worthwhile. Nominally we were diving, but it was still maybe 50% sightseeing. We stayed a few days near Bay of Pigs, in what at first glance looked like a shanty town but was perfectly OK, a few days in some communist style Butlins camp, again OK for what it was, and in another town then finally Havana itself, both in the local equivalent of airb&b. Nice people, though of course given the relative poverty, there's an undercurrent of polite hustling. There is definitely an ethos of making things work. At one diving venue there were maybe 40 people turned up and it was basically a bit of a shambles ... or so it seemed; then after at most 10 minutes we'd all been issued with kit the right size, and "triaged" into "experienced", "done a bit", "rank beginner" which was quite impressive. On a pre booked bus trip it was all a bit over bureaucratic, and it turned out a couple of people didn't have seats as the bus was full (dunno if it was cock up or they had turned up on wrong day or whatever) but the officials scratched their heads and said "if you sit in the corridor/ steps area we can squeeze you on", so a major problem was reduced to minor discomfort. Another impression I got was that whilst there were a lot of police they seemed to be chatting with shopkeepers and people they knew quite happily so it didn't seem a gestapo in the least, and in a similar vein people did tell us (complete strangers) a few non-PC jokes/quips too. At the time Obama had normalised relations at long last, so there was a quite positive vibe, but sadly Trump kyboshed that in a fit of petulance. I likely won't go back , but it's a country well worth a visit
 

Gillstay

Veteran
I’m surprised to see so many mention the USA. I wonder if it’s their insular culture and over-commercialism of tourism that’s the problem.

I’m hoping to do a coast to coast cycle tour there and am lured by the geography - the mountains, plains and emptiness of the interior. I guess I would largely avoid the touristy places and big population centres.

Someone tell me I’d be okay.

Nearest we got to being beaten up was Texas, out in the middle of nowhere at a dance. They decided we were gay men.
 
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CanucksTraveller

Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Location
Hertfordshire
On the US, I didnt really visit (except for a couple of brief flying visits) until 5 years ago, it never interested me. I had it all worked out in my head, it was gun obsessed, consumerist, stupid, vapid, and an amalgam of TV show and film tropes.

Then I started working for a US company, and for the last 5 years I've spent large chunks of my working life in Atlanta and wider Georgia, and I've also visited Salt Lake City, Detroit, Las Vegas (ugh), Houston, Kansas City, Chattanooga, Seattle, quieter smalltown parts of Florida, Texas, and Tenessee. I think the US is so vast, so diverse, that if you don't think you like it, you've probably just not been to a bit yet that would appeal to you. And some of it will, no matter what your tastes, the US certainly isn't Las Vegas and it's not Orlando. Think of it more as a continent of states with a common denominator rather than just a country. It's now fascinating to me and probably will continue to fascinate me until I leave the planet.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Whenever I have been to Wales it's been raining. Does it ever not? 🤣

Occasionally.

I'm not sure how I wasn't put off when I first came to Wales. I had been living for the previous 6 years in Grantham (Linconshire), one of the drier parts of Britain, before going to university in Swansea in 1978.

My first term, I arrived on 3rd of October, finished on 19th December. During that period, there were 3 days on which it didn't rain.

But by the time I finished Uni, I loved Wales, had married a Welsh speaking local, and have lived in Wales ever since.
 

Chislenko

Veteran
We made a road trip up the west coast from San Frascisco to Vancouver a few years ago. All the people we met were delightful and polite.

That pretty much mirrors the places I have been.

Went to see Wales play USA in a friendly in San Jose but based ourselves in San Francisco for that trip.

On our second trip drove down from Calgary through Montana and then across to Seattle. Stayed there a few days then back up to Vancouver Island where my sister lives.

Like slowmotion we found the people friendly and polite.

Edit. Yes I am aware some of the trip was in Canada before someone wants to correct my geography!
 
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fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Morocco (Marrakech) is one my wife will never go back too. She went a few years back with a friend for a week. Whilst the hotel was fine, venture outside it and it was sex pest and con artist central. They were particularly worried one day, taken to some dodgy leather manufacturers (processing factory - grim) then were left in an unknown part of the city. Blokes openly 'pleasuring' themselves in the local park. Both terrified of the place. Not somewhere women would go.
 
Morocco (Marrakech) is one my wife will never go back too. She went a few years back with a friend for a week. Whilst the hotel was fine, venture outside it and it was sex pest and con artist central. They were particularly worried one day, taken to some dodgy leather manufacturers (processing factory - grim) then were left in an unknown part of the city. Blokes openly 'pleasuring' themselves in the local park. Both terrified of the place. Not somewhere women would go.

Of course there are those with ill-intent who prey on tourists everywhere in the world and in some places they seem to be bolder, or have more free rein, than in other places, more's the pity.

I rather like Morocco, but I speak (or used to speak - not used it for a few years) reasonable conversational Arabic, and I think that is a huge factor that plays in my advantage.

I went over to Morocco for the first time when I was visiting a QARNS friend stationed in Gib; they were 'warned off' going especially alone or in all-female small groups but having lived in Saudi Arabia through most of the 70s I wasn't going to be put off, so as Sue had leave, we went. We travelled all over the country by bus and train without the slightest problem. Well, I say 'without the slightest problem' BUT I made Sue dress appropriately when 'in public' which was far more covered than she had expected, and always asked where stuff like the 'family section' was in cafes and the 'women's seats' on the bus. So we (somewhat) avoided labelling ourselves.

When some young blokes started harassing us when we were lost in a souk, I turned to them, hands on hips and asked them, in Arabic (in what I was later told was a very educated 'university' accent!) how they would like their sisters and mothers to be spoken to like that.

They were stunned. They looked at each other and said to each other 'she speaks Arabic!' and I retorted 'Yes I do, why are you so surprised? I understand it too. Someone once told me the Maghrebi were not as polite as true Arabs and now I think maybe they were right.'

Long story cut short, we ended up being entertained by their mothers and sisters every day for the few days we were in Marrakesh! Ridiculous but that's the way it is ... although the technology which surrounds us may be 21st century, outside the boundaries of the hotel, cultural and behavioural expectations have not maintained pace in massive, probably most, parts of the world.

A friend, 20 years younger than me, who is a keen cyclist, planned to go on a cycling holiday to Morocco by herself in 2015, so I sat her down and gave her a lecture about clothing and behaviour when off her bike, and made her promise to me that before she cycled through any town or stopped in any village or even a farmhouse, before she got off her bike she WOULD put on a mid-calf length wrap-around skirt and a loose, very thin, cotton shawl over her head, shoulders and upper arms. She thanked me when she came back; she said she initially thought what I had said was ridiculous but after after her first day she thought she'd try my instructions and said they were a great success.
 

Tenkaykev

Guru
Location
Poole
Of course there are those with ill-intent who prey on tourists everywhere in the world and in some places they seem to be bolder, or have more free rein, than in other places, more's the pity.

I rather like Morocco, but I speak (or used to speak - not used it for a few years) reasonable conversational Arabic, and I think that is a huge factor that plays in my advantage.

I went over to Morocco for the first time when I was visiting a QARNS friend stationed in Gib; they were 'warned off' going especially alone or in all-female small groups but having lived in Saudi Arabia through most of the 70s I wasn't going to be put off, so as Sue had leave, we went. We travelled all over the country by bus and train without the slightest problem. Well, I say 'without the slightest problem' BUT I made Sue dress appropriately when 'in public' which was far more covered than she had expected, and always asked where stuff like the 'family section' was in cafes and the 'women's seats' on the bus. So we (somewhat) avoided labelling ourselves.

When some young blokes started harassing us when we were lost in a souk, I turned to them, hands on hips and asked them, in Arabic (in what I was later told was a very educated 'university' accent!) how they would like their sisters and mothers to be spoken to like that.

They were stunned. They looked at each other and said to each other 'she speaks Arabic!' and I retorted 'Yes I do, why are you so surprised? I understand it too. Someone once told me the Maghrebi were not as polite as true Arabs and now I think maybe they were right.'

Long story cut short, we ended up being entertained by their mothers and sisters every day for the few days we were in Marrakesh! Ridiculous but that's the way it is ... although the technology which surrounds us may be 21st century, outside the boundaries of the hotel, cultural and behavioural expectations have not maintained pace in massive, probably most, parts of the world.

A friend, 20 years younger than me, who is a keen cyclist, planned to go on a cycling holiday to Morocco by herself in 2015, so I sat her down and gave her a lecture about clothing and behaviour when off her bike, and made her promise to me that before she cycled through any town or stopped in any village or even a farmhouse, before she got off her bike she WOULD put on a mid-calf length wrap-around skirt and a loose, very thin, cotton shawl over her head, shoulders and upper arms. She thanked me when she came back; she said she initially thought what I had said was ridiculous but after after her first day she thought she'd try my instructions and said they were a great success.

Thank you for a very interesting and informative post. 👍
 
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