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MontyVeda

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At a guess, Texas or somewhere similar. None of the descriptions of the US from other posters are anything like what I experienced.

The only time I ever felt a bit nervous was when we stopped off in what I'd call a "one horse town" in New Mexico while driving Route 66. But then in full goth mode, I suppose I was a bit of an oddity :laugh:

When i was in NY, I was chatting with some 'locals' (students) and telling them I was next off to rural Pennsylvania for a few days, and their reaction was :eek: "You don't wanna go out there... they openly carry sidearms and don't like anyone who's not local!" The only people i saw carrying a sidearm were the police. And the locals in PA were nice enough... but not a patch on those down in the southern Appalachians when i visited a few years later.
 
I’m surprised to see so many mention the USA. I wonder if it’s their insular culture and over-commercialism of tourism that’s the problem.

I’m hoping to do a coast to coast cycle tour there and am lured by the geography - the mountains, plains and emptiness of the interior. I guess I would largely avoid the touristy places and big population centres.

Someone tell me I’d be okay.

I was okay, in the middle of nowhere in Montana. I found the culture very different, not only from the UK but also between the people from different states. I got into some minor trouble with college authorities at one point because I wasn't picking up cultural cues and apparently had offended people. Unfortunately these people then gossiped instead of actually coming and talking to me about it. It was more unpleasant and stressful than dangerous.

Mind you, the "No trespassing" signs everywhere, coupled with the knowledge that you really could be shot if you ignored them, were unnerving.

When i was in NY, I was chatting with some 'locals' (students) and telling them I was next off to rural Pennsylvania for a few days, and their reaction was :eek: "You don't wanna go out there... they openly carry sidearms and don't like anyone who's not local!" The only people i saw carrying a sidearm were the police. And the locals in PA were nice enough... but not a patch on those down in the southern Appalachians when i visited a few years later.

Oddly I ended up gravitating to the Pennsylvanians after the above problems; they often had Dutch or German ancestry which gave them a more forthright and (to me) honest approach.
 
When i was in NY, I was chatting with some 'locals' (students) and telling them I was next off to rural Pennsylvania for a few days, and their reaction was :eek: "You don't wanna go out there... they openly carry sidearms and don't like anyone who's not local!" The only people i saw carrying a sidearm were the police. And the locals in PA were nice enough... but not a patch on those down in the southern Appalachians when i visited a few years later.

Only been to New York once, to take part in the Marathon a few years ago.

A member of my team visits the city a lot but, following a recent visit since they decriminalised marijuana, is unlikely to return. I’ll be following her lead and not be going back myself.

I did like other US cities e.g San Francisco and Honolulu, that, in time, am likely to go back and explore more of them and the rest of the state.
 
I think Muslims have a religious obligation to help travellers. Obviously there wasn't any mass tourism in 5th century Arabia.

I did not make the connection but it seems pretty much the norm in Central Asian countries who are predominantly muslims.
 
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midlife

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I’m surprised to see so many mention the USA. I wonder if it’s their insular culture and over-commercialism of tourism that’s the problem.

I’m hoping to do a coast to coast cycle tour there and am lured by the geography - the mountains, plains and emptiness of the interior. I guess I would largely avoid the touristy places and big population centres.

Someone tell me I’d be okay.

I've done the outer banks area and from North Carolina down to Georgia.

Liked the northern bit, looked at jobs there 25 years, ago. Not sure what ts like now though......
 
I worked in Johannesburg for a week about ten years ago, anywhere where you need to drive 100yards to the shop because it's not safe to walk is a no no for me.

Travelled there often for work and was based there for a while. You had to live in 2 parallel universe simultaneously to remain sane. There are actual road signs which indicate car hijacking hot spots. Lived in a service apartment in Rose Bank and it was wonderful, safe and highly affordable high end food establishment.

Went to Kruger National park and at the admission gate there is sign saying that all visitors had to hand over firearms before entry. Every local adult male members of white families were handing over their firearms. It was a clear statement of life. I was shocked to my bones.
 

Petrichorwheels

Senior Member
I visited in my early 20s, a few months before the Yom Kippur war.

While I knew the history of Israel, and the visit to Yad Vashem was humbling, I was taken aback by the arrogance and, frankly, racism of many of the people I met.

On a tour of Jerusalem, one of our party asked the guide what was going to happen to the occupied parts of East Jerusalem. He simply pointed to all the flats being built by Israel on the slopes and said "what do you think?"

had a client a few years ago - small company effectively run by a family that was jewish - nice funny maybe slightly barmy folk - they were the UK agents for an israeli tech product so they went there a fair bit - quite often said the folk were terrible/aggressive/rude tho always possible this may have been influenced to a degree by their business relationship. I kept out of it. But put it this way - little prospect of them wanting to move there from north london.
 

AndyRM

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I’m surprised to see so many mention the USA. I wonder if it’s their insular culture and over-commercialism of tourism that’s the problem.

I’m hoping to do a coast to coast cycle tour there and am lured by the geography - the mountains, plains and emptiness of the interior. I guess I would largely avoid the touristy places and big population centres.

Someone tell me I’d be okay.

You'd be fine.
 
I’m surprised to see so many mention the USA. I wonder if it’s their insular culture and over-commercialism of tourism that’s the problem.

I’m hoping to do a coast to coast cycle tour there and am lured by the geography - the mountains, plains and emptiness of the interior. I guess I would largely avoid the touristy places and big population centres.

Someone tell me I’d be okay.

For that sort of trip you will be fine. Fantastic scenery in many places.

Just avoid Las Vegas. Went there once and hated it all. Passed the outskirts of it another time and kept on driving.
 

AndyRM

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For that sort of trip you will be fine. Fantastic scenery in many places.

Just avoid Las Vegas. Went there once and hated it all. Passed the outskirts of it another time and kept on driving.

Agreed re: Vegas. It is one of the weirdest places I have ever been.

Gaudy, completely fake, a mecca for corruption and commercialism.

I suppose it's worth a look just to say you have seen the insanity of the place. A day would be enough!
 

Baldy

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I went to Wyoming earlier this year, it was very much a flying visit. Flew into Salt Lake City, then straight onto Jackson Hole. I was picked up from the airport and taken up into the mountains. Had three weeks backpacking in the Wind River Mountains, real wilderness but not empty. I meet people every day, on the whole they were quite reserved, friendly but not very talkative. Of course, everyone I meet out hiking in the mountains would be outdoorsy type people and nothing like the stereotypical Trump voting red neck cowboys you see on the news. Last time, before that, I was in the states I got arrested at Miami airport, that was thirty years ago, never did find why.
 
Sometime in the mid - late 70s - I suspect 1976 or 77 - my mother went to the US with her sister, to visit my cousin and his family as my uncle was afraid to fly and my aunt did not want to go alone. At some point during the holiday, mum booked a self-drive tour (pre-booked motels/hotels, hire car and a suggested itinerary) of the Blue Ridge Mountains/Appalachia, I imagine to see a bit more of the US and give my aunt some time to herself with her son and his family. Mum had been brought up in a very poor family during the depression with a father who had been gassed during WW1, but she said this tour opened her eyes to the terrible, grinding poverty which people underwent when there was no semblance of a welfare state to support them. She had a few adventures during her 10 day trip, and her descriptions of driving in the mountains in one area, where on one side of the road was beautiful forest and rolling hills and on the other, the detritus of coal mining and slag heaps as far as the eye could see, were vivid. As was her description of the black family who came to her aid when she had some problems with the hire car; one of the family's members drove her to the nearest town to make a phone call but he did not dare enter the town, he dropped her off at the 'town limits' and waited there for her while she made the phone call. Some of the diners she stopped at to eat in, no-one on the staff could understand her accent and she had to resort to pointing and miming!

This was especially interesting to me at the time as I was in the Middle East and working with a majority of American colleagues; some of them seemed to have come from that sort of milieu themselves and I tried to question them tactfully.
A few years after that, I went to visit a friend in Austin, Texas. We had a wonderful time and she took me all over the place; she had come to visit me when I was living in Kent and this was a reciprocal visit. However, I never felt entirely at ease when wandering round by myself. There was something indefinably hostile, even within the overt (over) friendliness of most Americans, and a subtle disparagement of everything 'other' - be it European or Middle Eastern. Or even Canadian. And definitely Mexican ...
In the year 2000, I flew from Germany to New Zealand 'the wrong way' via LA - can't remember now why I did it, I must have got a bargain price - and the aggression from Passport Control directed at me and a German woman of similar age, who had flown in on the same flight as me and was flying out on the same flight as me, but to Australia, was simply frightening. We were in LA as transit passengers for a few hours only and I vowed then to never, ever go to the US again. The ONLY person to speak in a civil fashion to us at any time was a Latino woman in the coffee shop; neither of us were able to change any money to dollars - the machines did not accept German or UK bank cards and there were no cash exchanges open - BUT nowhere took any foreign currency. The Latino woman gave us a coffee and a muffin each on the understanding that we would send postcards to her grandson - I sent several and so did the German woman.
I have never been back to the US and do not plan to.

I visited India for the first time in the 1960s when I was a bit of a hippy; North India was fascinating and I enjoyed it. I visited it again when I was working in Saudi Arabia and it was quite terrible - the part of India I landed in seemed like a broken Saudi Arabia which was desperately poor, much dirtier, more aggressive and vastly more crowded, so I took a ferry across to Sri Lanka and was instantly charmed. I suspect if I'd travelled directly from SA to somewhere like a Goan beach resort, my opinion of India might now be very different ...
 
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