Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Just as every alarm bell is ringing out's come's a new Uk anti lock down group linked to the Great Barrington Declaration.
Linked to Karol Sikora the well known crank other "experts" inc Julian Metcalfe of Pret the founder of Pret and ITSU , Lord Sumption, Harvey Goldsmith and a TV psychologist. Julian Metcalfe is so caring ”Society will not recover if we do it again (lockdown) just to save the lives of a few thousand very old or vulnerable people”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...staff-urge-PM-rational-approach-pandemic.html
(Sorry for the daily hate link only one around again say's everything.)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

the Great Barrington Declaration.

Worth repeating: the great Barrington Declaration is the work of an American Libertarian political pressure group. The "American Institute for Economic Research". The two notable uk scientists associated, Gupta and Heneghan, whilst perfectly reputable, are in a very small minority and have been spectacularly and serially wrong throughout the pandemic. It was not published in any scientific or medical journal.

The "Jon Snow" memo was an attempt to set the record straight, published in the lancet and with wide support across the scientific and medical world.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

 

[tom73]

Worth repeating: the great Barrington Declaration is the work of an American Libertarian political pressure group. The "American Institute for Economic Research". The two notable uk scientists associated, Gupta and Heneghan, whilst perfectly reputable, are in a very small minority and have been spectacularly and serially wrong throughout the pandemic. It was not published in any scientific or medical journal.

The "Jon Snow" memo was an attempt to set the record straight, published in the lancet and with wide support across the scientific and medical world.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

Indeed one is grounded on nonsense and one is grounded on science hence why Mrs 73 signed the latter.

 

[mjr]

In The Cycling Podcast: 176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move
View: https://audioboom.com/posts/7716030
François Thomazeau opines that the zero cases in the Vuelta bubble shows that basic measures can work to contain this virus. Richard Moore suggests that disciplined athletes like cyclists are good at following such guidance.

So should the world learn from pro cycle racing?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

In The Cycling Podcast: 176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move
View: https://audioboom.com/posts/7716030
François Thomazeau opines that the zero cases in the Vuelta bubble shows that basic measures can work to contain this virus. Richard Moore suggests that disciplined athletes like cyclists are good at following such guidance.

So should the world learn from pro cycle racing?

Based on that then yes.

But nothing is going to change our (UK) cultural mindset in decades let alone the period of time we are talking about to have a real impact on our current situation.

Here, whatever advice or instructions that we receive, and despite the validity of said advice and instructions, there will always be an element of society that will self-justify ignoring the 'rules' to suit their own ends.

An outcome of living in a democracy.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

In The Cycling Podcast: 176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move
View: https://audioboom.com/posts/7716030
François Thomazeau opines that the zero cases in the Vuelta bubble shows that basic measures can work to contain this virus. Richard Moore suggests that disciplined athletes like cyclists are good at following such guidance.

So should the world learn from pro cycle racing?

What - flood your system with steroids and performance enhancing drugs to the point Covid just bounces off?

 

[mjr]

Here, whatever advice or instructions that we receive, and despite the validity of said advice and instructions, there will always be an element of society that will self-justify ignoring the 'rules' to suit their own ends.

An outcome of living in a democracy.

Is it, though? Or is the Vuelta actually operating more like a "government by consent" (albeit over 700ish citizens) than the UK's actual government just now, with the Vuelta taking rational-looking measures and explaining them while gov.uk seem to be imposing arbitrary-looking rules unjustified?

 

[mjr]

What - flood your system with steroids and performance enhancing drugs to the point Covid just bounces off?

but I think one steroid (dexamethasone IIRC) has already been found helpful so maybe there is something to it!

 

[classic33]

In The Cycling Podcast: 176: The Grandest Tour stage 22: Woods' smart move
View: https://audioboom.com/posts/7716030
François Thomazeau opines that the zero cases in the Vuelta bubble shows that basic measures can work to contain this virus. Richard Moore suggests that disciplined athletes like cyclists are good at following such guidance.

So should the world learn from pro cycle racing?

This the same race where five positive cases/tests were returned earlier this month.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Is it, though? Or is the Vuelta actually operating more like a "government by consent" (albeit over 700ish citizens) than the UK's actual government just now, with the Vuelta taking rational-looking measures and explaining them while gov.uk seem to be imposing arbitrary-looking rules unjustified?

I think that it just comes down to the way we are culturally.

We generally follow rules but we have an open and questioning attitude towards them which I think is healthy. But, in circumstances like this, maybe that works against us?

With the www. and it's easy access to information and the ability to rapidly disseminate opinion we now have a situation where 'everyone is an expert' and knows what's best - usually to suit their own personal circumstances. Hence some people ignore rules.

It really doesn't matter whether you or I think the rules are arbitrary or rational the fact of the matter is, imo, that if everyone had abided by the rules, applicable at any given time during this pandemic, then we would be in a far better situation than we are now.

 

[Rusty Nails]

In the absence of a working vaccine I believe there is only one way to stop this virus, which is a very long total lockdown, at least as if not more severe than the first one. This is not, for very good reasons, ever going to happen.

As a country we had the chance to get this more under control back in February/March, but our government, and its clown of a leader, delayed and dithered, never got Test and Trace going until the numbers were far too large. The Trace element is still just not up to scratch, and many people now only pay lip service to it.

Even a country like Germany which appeared to do reasonably well at the start is now seeing a big rise in positive cases, so what chance do we stand with this shower in control?

The best we can do is carry on with the restrictions pick & mix approach to limit its growth until an effective vaccine is developed and hope that the number of elderly killed by the virus is acceptable to the rest of the country as a price to pay.

This cheerful lockdown weather is really raising my spirits, as you can see.

 

[tom73]

To be an NHS clinical contact tracer you must be min band 6 have a health or science degree or “demonstrable equivalent experience or qualifications”; experience in “a field related to public health or health and social care services as a practitioner” and “registration with the relevant professional body”. Among your tasks are “conducting a public health risk assessment”, “providing public health advice” and “using your clinical knowledge to help escalate complex cases”.
Yet Serco has now "upskilled" all call handlers from level 3 call handlers to level 2 clinical contact caseworkers.
So totally unqualified staff and unregistered staff are now acting as clinically trained ones.
How is this allowed to happen ? It's illegal to practice as a HCP without a registration ?
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nd-coronavirus-covid-test-and-trace-teenagers

 

[mjr]

This the same race where five positive cases/tests were returned earlier this month.

No. Only two staff found positive at the set up of the bubble. Maybe you speak of the Grio which by all accounts had a weaker bubble.

 

[DCLane]

West Yorkshire into Tier 3 from Monday ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54741041

 

[classic33]

West Yorkshire into Tier 3 from Monday ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54741041

I'm bulk buying toilet paper tomorrow. If there's any left.

Being serious I can't see many taking a blind bit of notice over the new restrictions.