Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

List published. From the BBC from gov.uk

Medium

• All areas, excluding those listed below

High

• Cheshire (Cheshire West and Chester, Cheshire East)
• Greater Manchester (Manchester, Bolton, Bury, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, Salford, Rochdale, Oldham)
• Warrington
• Derbyshire (High Peak - the wards of Tintwistle, Padfield, Dinting, St John’s, Old Glossop, Whitfield, Simmondley, Gamesley, Howard Town, Hadfield South, Hadfield North)
• Lancashire (Lancashire, Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley)
• West Yorkshire (Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wakefield)
• South Yorkshire (Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield)
• North East (Newcastle, South Tyneside, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland)
• Tees Valley (Middlesborough, Redcar and Cleveland, Stockton-on-Tees, Darlington, Hartlepool)
• West Midlands (Birmingham, Sandwell, Solihull, Wolverhampton, Walsall)
• Leicester (Leicester, Oadby and Wigston)
• Nottingham (Nottinghamshire, Nottingham City)

Very High

• Liverpool City Region (Liverpool, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens, Sefton, Halton)

It has been emphasised other areas may be very high soon.

 

[mjr]

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. What gets me is this lunacy around 10pm closing, and that no evidence was even given when asked for. IMO as long as you have pubs open at night, you're going to get scenes as seen in Liverpool and other cities where people just spill out and cuddle each other becasue they're drunk.

And if all the pubs kick out at once, the police or covid marshalls or whatever can't be everywhere at the same time fining everyone. I don't think early closing has looked like it's worked in any country that's tried it unless it's extremely early like 8pm or before and that's probably why no evidence was given.

The fear is that thes epoeple would have "illegal house parties" afterwards, but surely that's easier to enforce (fines) than a group of stragglers spilling out of a pub into the street

Whereas now early closing means people are already kitted out for house parties (TV news at lunchtime showed kegs on balconies of blocks of flats and so on), so if pubs close, they'll just start the parties earlier.

Johnson's government isn't just missing a trick. It feels like they're missing all the tricks and are now just grasping at the same failed straws over and over. Look at all the things that were rumoured to be coming, such as travel bans and more workplace measures: literally none of them seem to be added today, while they have another dither.

 

[Milzy]

Fat old unfit folk are making swift recoveries.
Why can’t just the vulnerable shield?
Wouldn’t it be best to catch it and move forwards?
This local lock down nonsense won’t do any good. 60 million people and hardly anybody to police people meeting up in each other’s houses. You’re having a laugh. Can any of you Covid marshals explain the logic behind all this and how long it’s going to go on for? Will there be a third wave in March? Thanks.

 

[tom73]

Rule of six is still a problem it's open to too many households mixing. Thought the BMA a few days again had a better idea of no more than two households up to a max of 6 people in total. i'd have liked the government to also taken up the BMA on extending use of face coverings.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Fat old unfit folk are making swift recoveries.
Why can’t just the vulnerable shield?
Wouldn’t it be best to catch it and move forwards?
This local lock down nonsense won’t do any good. 60 million people and hardly anybody to police people meeting up in each other’s houses. You’re having a laugh. Can any of you Covid marshals explain the logic behind all this and how long it’s going to go on for? Will there be a third wave in March? Thanks.

As explained before, in order to approach herd immunity we need to kill about a quarter of a million people or so.

That's the previous peak deaths, but every day for 10 months.

Can you see any flaws in your plan yet?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Fat old unfit folk are making swift recoveries.
Why can’t just the vulnerable shield?
Wouldn’t it be best to catch it and move forwards?
This local lock down nonsense won’t do any good. 60 million people and hardly anybody to police people meeting up in each other’s houses. You’re having a laugh. Can any of you Covid marshals explain the logic behind all this and how long it’s going to go on for? Will there be a third wave in March? Thanks.

Are all fat, old and unfit people recovering swiftly? Is the % of such people recovering higher or lower than thinner, younger and fitter people, and do you have the data, or are you just making stuff up to suit your opinions? You cannot base your views on the swift recovery of the old, fat, unfit idiot, who had fantastically expensive, immediate treatment, currently in charge of the US.

And some vulnerable people are recovering, so why bother shielding them?

 

[matticus]

If the young (and/or brave) could volunteer for infection, and then isolate (for some short time) in some way that guaranteed not infecting those more vulnerable, then that *seems* an attractive idea.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Is it just me or do you find Chris Whitty quite clear and engaging and then you stop listening when Boris starts speaking?

 

[pawl]

Tier 2 here for now. The government has lost control, if they ever had it after an opportunity in late Jan.

Preparation s made and we'll see what happens this time. SWMBO's getting ready to move into hospital accommodation for 3-4 weeks if it gets bad again on her Covid rehab wards.

I don’t live in Yorkshire but is my favourite county.Well done to your wife
Having worked myself within the NHS and know how hard they work

 

[All uphill]

If the young (and/or brave) could volunteer for infection, and then isolate (for some short time) in some way that guaranteed not infecting those more vulnerable, then that *seems* an attractive idea.

But it's not all young people who go through this unscathed. I don't know many people in their teens/ twenties but I do know two who are experiencing long covid. It's very nasty.

Some people still seem to think with covid that you either live an unchanged life, or you die, but the inconvenient truth is that lives are being blighted.

 

[classic33]

Fat old unfit folk are making swift recoveries.
Why can’t just the vulnerable shield?
Wouldn’t it be best to catch it and move forwards?
This local lock down nonsense won’t do any good. 60 million people and hardly anybody to police people meeting up in each other’s houses. You’re having a laugh. Can any of you Covid marshals explain the logic behind all this and how long it’s going to go on for? Will there be a third wave in March? Thanks.

What would that actually achieve?

I'm in "high risk" due to Mother Nature, she who doesn't care. I can do nothing about that, and to look at there's nothing visible most of the time, so you'd never notice.

I can't take most simple, everyday medications. Adverse reactions to them. But over the years I've had ample time to see the effects of late night kicking out time/the effects of drink, in many A&E's. Why not address those. Police in the A&E outnumbering those there to be treated.

Thursday became the new Friday over twenty years ago.

 

[Wobblers]

Fat old unfit folk are making swift recoveries.
Why can’t just the vulnerable shield?
Wouldn’t it be best to catch it and move forwards?
This local lock down nonsense won’t do any good. 60 million people and hardly anybody to police people meeting up in each other’s houses. You’re having a laugh. Can any of you Covid marshals explain the logic behind all this and how long it’s going to go on for? Will there be a third wave in March? Thanks.

About 10-20% of those infected end up with "long Covid", with symptoms and chronic tiredness extending over many months. This includes slim young fit folk. Ignoring the fact that what you suggest will kill 250,000 people (at least) (!) it means we'll have at least 6 million people who'll be unable to work or earn for a significant length of time. But they'll still need to be fed, housed and treated. The economic consequences of that alone are severe. Plus there will be hundreds of thousands of people left with long term, possibly lifelong, health issues, who'll need expensive medical treatment, along with having their lives blighted.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If the young (and/or brave) could volunteer for infection, and then isolate (for some short time) in some way that guaranteed not infecting those more vulnerable, then that *seems* an attractive idea.

We need probably 70% infection.

So that's everyone, literally everyone under the age of, say, 60.

To be compulsarily (I don't think you'll get many volunteers for this) infected with a potentially deadly virus and locked up for a fortnight.

Luck.

 

[tom73]

But it's not all young people who go through this unscathed. I don't know many people in their teens/ twenties but I do know two who are experiencing long covid. It's very nasty.

Some people still seem to think with covid that you either live an unchanged life, or you die, but the inconvenient truth is that lives are being blighted.

This is the whole point the message need's to change all the range of covid has it's risks and effects which end of the scale you end up with is not a risk you should take. Ending up on ventilation and recovering is not a good out come either. The effects of being on ventilation mean a long way to recovery at best. At worse life changing effects which you may never get over. We know someone who months later is still on ventilation though he's awake. Like many on on ventilation his kidneys are now shot he may have got over covid but he's not going to be same person he was. He was young and healthy covid is not something you want to catch at any age it's effects are wide ranging the effects of which long term are unknown. It's been talked about on here long enough if some still don't get it then sadly they never will.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Devastating honesty from Whitty: Tier 3 is not enough.

But what I don't understand - why would any of theother tiers be enough?

Surely, the implication of this policy is that all areas will progress up through the tiers to a new Tier 4 which Whitty implies?

Or is the theory that the mere existence of higher tiers will scare the bejesus out of the population and cow us into better compliance?