Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

How are prisons managing this so well? Or is it lack of testing? I don't know but they are cramped, don't have live in staff, deliveries come and go, tradesman work in and out daily.

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Here spokes someone who as not got a clue. The simple answer is it's been down to luck than anything else. Most of the prison estate is still locked down. Out of cell time is 30 mins a day if lucky in many placers. Most visiting is off and the limited amount is none contact most visitors won't come for fear of bringing the virus with them. Most inter prison transfers have stopped so less prison to prison mixing.
Most education , training , offender support are all off so no external partner staff are going in. Only outsiders going into the main areas of the prison are members of the ambulance service. The only other outsider with any regular prison contact if they have any onsite provision is the dentist and dental nurse. Who stay in dental area. Some prisons may have onside x-ray but again they stay in that room. All of whom wear PPE as do all prison health care staff. If a prisoner can be treated on site they are only going out when they have to. As with most people hospital outpatient appointments are hardly happening either.
Deliveries go to stores which is no way near the rest of the prison you can't just call in with stuff.Tradesman don't come and go and even when they do call they are not able to move to freely around the place.
Every new prisoner is screened by health care as they always are. Not by a machine that go's ping but a HCP so possible covid can be quickly picked up before they get though the door. All new prisoners are isolated (or should be) for 14 days. Before they move onto the wings any possible cases are isolated and checked daily by health care. That chart is not including any staff cases which have been running high for some time. All at risk health wise prisoners are checked daily by health care anyway, many have taken action to isolate themselves anyway. Some prisons have moved them and isolated them in bubbles that stay together. Public health information is all over the place they don't have to rely on Borris for it but ask health professionals straight out.
The luck is starting to run out Lowdham Grange and Barlinnie are showing that. Going on one week proves nothing cases have been happening since the start.
Above all it's been to some shear bloody hard work by staff to keep numbers low.

 

[tom73]

These figures are for incidents, not cases. It may be that there are fewer prison premises for incidents to occur in when compared to the other sectors. However, the percentages appear to be derived from the ARIs listed in the Week 40 Covid report - if so, it is only one incident, so it is still an interesting pointm unless that one incident is actually several hundred cases.

The problem with ARI comparisons is that it over-represents sectors where it is easy to identify an outbreak source and there is a large testing regime in place - e.g. care homes. In addition, the case numbers are not proportionate to the incident numbers. Case numbers of two in a single care home will qualify as an incident whereas as other sectors can have scores or more cases per incident.

ARIs also include non-Covid incidents and there was been some very poor press reporting of them, despite the figures also giving the Covid numbers in brackets or simply alongside the ARI totals

Re the 4% food outlet sector figure, even given the drawbacks of incident comparisons, in the week 37 report for week 36, before schools and unis kicked off, this sector recorded the third highest number of Covid-related ARIs and was only one fewer than the ARIs in the second highest category.

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The numbers are API based and not that up to date. Prison covid numbers are not published quickly if at all.

 

[DaveReading]

How are prisons managing this so well?

Prisoners represent around 0.15% of the adult population and 1% of the Covid cases.

And you call that "managing well" ?

 

[tom73]

If reports are true look's like my area is set for level 2. Soon find out

 

[mjr]

So, here's what WHO are currently advising countries to improve on:
· Control sporadic clusters by rapid case finding and contact tracing/quarantining/support
· Community engagement (I think this is what we'd call public information) about washing hands, avoiding face-touching, distancing, isolating and identifying as a contact when appropriate.
· Suppress community transmission through occupational health and safety (I think this is what our "Covid Safe" stuff is for)
· Data management and dissemination (the data that mayors and counties are complaining they are not getting)
· Develop vaccines and therapeutics

The Prime Minister's statement contributes only a little to the second of these by simplifying distancing, a little. It seems like they've dithered until the deadline and so failed to simplify things much. There will be three levels of restriction: medium is the current confusing muddle which few people remember; high is the muddle but no indoor mixing; and very high is high plus closed bars and other restrictions not yet decided!


View: https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1315664211901657088


Starmer quoted some of the PM's past statements back at him, highlighted how they did not come to pass and expressed scepticism that this will work either. What could do he, though? He's not running this show.

 

[mjr]

Statement starts 4min 20 into this:

View: https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1315661395854266368

 

[marinyork]

The second wave and second severe set of restrictions is here. Good luck everyone.

 

[fossyant]

Dodged that with Tier 2 here ! Phew.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Prisoners represent around 0.15% of the adult population and 1% of the Covid cases.

And you call that "managing well" ?

Damn you and your facts. You'll be expecting people to understand the statistics they quote next.

 

[DCLane]

Tier 2 here for now. The government has lost control, if they ever had it, after an opportunity in late Jan.

Preparations made and we'll see what happens this time. SWMBO's getting ready to move into hospital accommodation for 3-4 weeks if it gets bad again on her Covid rehab wards.

 

[tom73]

It's being reported that even at level 3 pubs that 'food-based pubs' can stay open ie the big chains.
So If you don't "substantially" sell food like small community based ones. Have to close remind me how much did Martian give to the conservative party ?

 

[matticus]

Bit of light relief. I just googled "BBC lockdown" to get the latest news. First result was this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3BUrtNeh3k&feature=emb_logo

 

[marinyork]

It's being reported that even at level 3 pubs that 'food-based pubs' can stay open ie the big chains.
So If you don't "substantially" sell food like small community based ones. Have to close remind me how much did Martian give to the conservative party ?

Restaurants staying open, so MPs don't have to make sarnies.

Schools, pubs, gyms, holidays, restaurants just swap around these things every few weeks with new restrictions and changes and you have a DIY government policy.

 

[tom73]

Restaurants staying open, so MPs don't have to make sarnies.

Schools, pubs, gyms, holidays, restaurants just swap around these things every few weeks with new restrictions and changes and you have a DIY government policy.

In the mean time covid can dine out at which ever "all you can eat" buffet it likes.

 

[Electric_Andy]

swap around these things every few weeks with new restrictions and changes and you have a DIY government policy.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. What gets me is this lunacy around 10pm closing, and that no evidence was even given when asked for. IMO as long as you have pubs open at night, you're going to get scenes as seen in Liverpool and other cities where people just spill out and cuddle each other becasue they're drunk. The fear is that thes epoeple would have "illegal house parties" afterwards, but surely that's easier to enforce (fines) than a group of stragglers spilling out of a pub into the street