Coronavirus outbreak

[AuroraSaab]

I wish the big supermarkets would enforce it more rigidly. They have the manpower to remove agitators and can afford to ban people. If a big Tesco won't enforce it, how can one woman on her own in a Tesco Express? People would be more compliant generally if it was enforced without exception.

 

[marinyork]

I wish the big supermarkets would enforce it more rigidly. They have the manpower to remove agitators and can afford to ban people. If a big Tesco won't enforce it, how can one woman on her own in a Tesco Express? People would be more compliant generally if it was enforced without exception.

Path of least resistance.

Point about a small shop is theoretical. A small shop may have a better ratio of security guards to square feet/staff. It's less easy to disappear. All theoretical as the local issues/clientele varies massively in smaller shops and if you have a terrible manager/HR it might seem hell on earth to you.

 

[marinyork]

I'm no statistician but it's not looking good. Hopefully they will put us into an extremely aggressive lockdown again.
The metaphorical horse I invoked six months ago which had previously escaped the Solar system is now on a trajectory to the black hole at the centre of the galaxy, and the stable door bolterers are nowhere in sight.

The left bit of that curve around 23rd March was probably 100,000 per day.

The ONS stuff today suggests that infection rates have gone down slightly, the most plausible explanation is local restrictions and the rule of 6 has slowed the spread of the virus slightly down from 9,600 per day to 8,400 per day. I think the 95% bounds were between 6000 cases per day and 15,000 per day. Next week's information will be interesting.

It's not good though as I'm still expecting a slow steady climb like in Spain/France until November or so.

edit: this is from the daily mail and from somewhere, I think ONS originally they don't say or some other module. Confusingly it says cases per day when the boxes are a week, but the rest is right. On this one it'd be even higher than said previously, maybe as high as 175,000 new cases per day some days.

 

[oldwheels]

Path of least resistance.

Point about a small shop is theoretical. A small shop may have a better ratio of security guards to square feet/staff. It's less easy to disappear. All theoretical as the local issues/clientele varies massively in smaller shops and if you have a terrible manager/HR it might seem hell on earth to you.

In our small coop the rules are enforced and any aggro the police have been called. The disregard comes from tourists and if there is a queue which is mainly local there is plenty vocal encouragement for them to go forth and multiply.

 

[marinyork]

In our small coop the rules are enforced and any aggro the police have been called. The disregard comes from tourists and if there is a queue which is mainly local there is plenty vocal encouragement for them to go forth and multiply.

I've done quite a bit of outdoor stuff and despite what most people write on here I think mask compliance is very good. Where the issue is at the moment the 'change' between moving through/ordering where you have to pop your mask on, which not everyone has got used to but getting there. I suspect it's probably the same with where people have to pop temporarily into badly ventillated/enclosed spaces and that will take a while for people to get used to.

 

[marinyork]

Amusingly enough one of the places where I've got outdoor teas has had permission from the council to put up a gigantic frigging open marquee.

If the weather forecast is decent the outdoor tables are packed. If the forecast is bad (never mind whether it actually rains or not), the numbers are down in single digits.

The marquee, people will work out eventually it's there and go forth and drink tea in grey weather. At some point anyway. It really is insanely big. I suspect councilery-pokery as the table setup are rather far away from each other.

 

[tom73]

Take up around here is now much better the issue in shops is more down to staff not using them. Some seam to think sat behind the magic screen is fine even though the rest of the checkout is has nothing. Social distancing around customers tends to be very hit and miss. Guess it’s all down to what’s being said and enforced by head office and management on the ground.
Be good if the messaging re valves in masks was better. Had to dodge a women wearing a mask that had 3 valves this morning.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

At the door of a Carrefour supermarket the other day, an old couple wearing masks were coming out as another old couple were going in without masks. The masked woman said something to them and pointed at her mask. The old guy without a mask said something back and, well... she may have been about 70 and unsteady on her feet but she fair flew at him. People were taken aback and watched as she tried to slap him as he covered his head with his arms. I don't know much Spanish but I'm guessing she was politely advising him to wear a mask.

 

[mjr]

Be good if the messaging re valves in masks was better. Had to dodge a women wearing a mask that had 3 valves this morning.

A mask with 3 valves? An in valve, an out valve and a shake-it-all-about valve?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'm still expecting a slow steady climb like in Spain/France until November or so.

Why are you expecting it to stop rising in November?

 

[mjr]

People were taken aback and watched as she tried to slap him as he covered his head with his arms. I don't know much Spanish but I'm guessing she was politely advising him to wear a mask.

I hope she sanitised her hands before and after!

 

[marinyork]

Why are you expecting it to stop rising in November?

Deaths and infections may go very high, perhaps 20,000-50,000 cases per day and 200-400 deaths per day, then behaviour will change, more restrictions that just a third of the UK population and it'll level off and fall very slowly over 3-5 months. In the past various sources have said they think the peak will be in November again not that that helps that much as they are aware it may then last all winter. November includes to the end of November so could be 8 weeks away.

 

[cambsno]

I've already expressed my hatred of that argument earlier in this thread. Hearing that would tempt me to uncover my nose just to annoy the idiot on the PA.

Plus, sadly, some men do indeed hang their dangly bits out in public. There was a mayor of some town in the news this week convicted of something like that in a motorway service station toilet... although I think part of the problem was it wasn't all dangly.


Well that's going to fark up the mental health of people with conditions like severe asthma even further at this time when they're probably already pretty worried. Not good. Be kind.

The could wear a visor - i assume they are ok as seen a few with no mask and a visor, although if they have severe asthma should they be going out as they will be super high risk?

 

[IaninSheffield]

New research about masks just released ...

 

[Oldhippy]

The virus is still young and to discover exactly how many ways it can transmit in such a short space of time is unlikely. It is also known to adapt already. Science is advising best case suggestions on what is known of other viruses. No one has all the answers if news feeds are to be believed. It seems churlish not to do the best you can to not get it with the means available. They may work, they may not, they may give better odds, they may not.