Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
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- Inside my skull
That is naughty as you aren’t quoting what I wrote. Tsk tsk.
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That is naughty as you aren’t quoting what I wrote. Tsk tsk.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
We'd need to have spare police officers left for that to happen...Yep, well it should be but no fecker seems to be enforcing it
CanucksTraveller
Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
- Location
- Hertfordshire
Yep, well it should be but no fecker seems to be enforcing it
I think it's so difficult to enforce, even if those charged with enforcing it are full of resolve. But your average Tesco worker, they really won't want the hassle. Given how self entitled many people are these days, as a supermarket worker you can pretty much safely assume that a non-mask wearer is just dying to be challenged so they can get righteous about it.
I was in Morrissons last week and a big argument was going on, a compliant customer had clearly challenged a family of non-mask wearers and dragged a Manager over; The accused father was on such a high horse. Going on about his wife having anxiety, this was her first time out of the house in months, she was moved to tears to be shouted at like this, she may never leave the house again if this is how people are, how dare he, blah blah blah. The wife was stood there looking, well, just bored really. Anxiety my ass. Dad had clearly said "we'll do what we want, no-one will say anything" and I reckon he could try it on another ten times and be right. Most won't challenge.
Not supermarket related I know, but I work for an airline that does enforce it, and enforces it strongly. We tell people right up front that they have to wear a mask to fly, (medical exemptions apply), we tell them at booking, we tell them at check in, we text them, we email them, and finally we address it at the airport departure gate, so when people try it on in flight we won't have it.
Sill I'm up to my neck at the moment with cases where we're banning people, 400 so far, and the excuses just go on and on and on. "They don't work", "I can't breathe", "It's my race you have an issue with", "I have a right not to wear", I've even had one who said "I'm a military veteran, I fought so that people wouldn't be forced to wear a mask". I must admit, I wasn't aware of the war on paper masks.
Unfortunately, people love to try it on these days, and if you want to have a strong policy you need to be ready to fight them all the way. A shelf stacker isn't prepared to have those fights every ten minutes for 8 quid an hour. Who can blame them, it's simply not worth the aggro and the non-wearers know this.
The place my mate runs enforcers it however the difference to most placers is they don't expect staff to do it. They expect management to do it. The big issues was the guidelines made it harder. But now the bar area is included it may get easier. All they ask as proof you can't is to take a few minutes and download the card off the government website. They've found the one's who haven't/can't be bothered are the same way when it comes to wearing a mask.
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I should also add that unlike many placers they've taken the time and money. To make sure all staff are disability aware and as a business are fully welcoming and have a good few regular customers who have disabilities.
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I should also add that unlike many placers they've taken the time and money. To make sure all staff are disability aware and as a business are fully welcoming and have a good few regular customers who have disabilities.
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raleighnut
Legendary Member
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- One of the 'Elite'
likewise the 2m rule was stuck to apart from the odd idiot. Now it seems a 'freeforall'. 
I think supermarkets should have some fun. They could do some public service announcements.
"Gentlemen - when you get dressed in the morning, do you leave your dangly bits outside your pants? I'm guessing not - so by the same token, please put your nose BACK inside your facemask..."
or
"Ladies and Gentlemen - stop going commando - put that face mask on, try caring about other people just this once..."
or
"Fun fact of the day. You can carry on a conversation on a mobile phone whilst wearing a facemask! Or hang up - and GO OUTSIDE"
"Gentlemen - when you get dressed in the morning, do you leave your dangly bits outside your pants? I'm guessing not - so by the same token, please put your nose BACK inside your facemask..."
or
"Ladies and Gentlemen - stop going commando - put that face mask on, try caring about other people just this once..."
or
"Fun fact of the day. You can carry on a conversation on a mobile phone whilst wearing a facemask! Or hang up - and GO OUTSIDE"
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I've already expressed my hatred of that argument earlier in this thread. Hearing that would tempt me to uncover my nose just to annoy the idiot on the PA.
Plus, sadly, some men do indeed hang their dangly bits out in public. There was a mayor of some town in the news this week convicted of something like that in a motorway service station toilet... although I think part of the problem was it wasn't all dangly.
Well that's going to fark up the mental health of people with conditions like severe asthma even further at this time when they're probably already pretty worried. Not good. Be kind.
raleighnut
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- One of the 'Elite'
By the same token i had to go into the City today, there were some people wearing masks on the street. Now the only thing that masks/face coverings do is stop you passing germs on to other people in enclosed spaces (or coughing onto produce/goods in shops) why can the general public understand this, are people really that stupid.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Maybe they were just outside temporarily between enclosed spaces? From the gov.uk/coronavirus guidance on face coverings: "avoid taking it off and putting it back on a lot in quick succession (for example, when leaving and entering shops on a high street)"By the same token i had to go into the City today, there were some people wearing masks on the street. Now the only thing that masks/face coverings do is stop you passing germs on to other people in enclosed spaces (or coughing onto produce/goods in shops) why can the general public understand this, are people really that stupid.
Rusty Nails
We remember
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- Living in the slow lane
By the same token i had to go into the City today, there were some people wearing masks on the street. Now the only thing that masks/face coverings do is stop you passing germs on to other people in enclosed spaces (or coughing onto produce/goods in shops) why can the general public understand this, are people really that stupid.
Possibly just over-cautious, which is more related to personality or severity of underlying health conditions than stupidity. Or as @mjr said.
Unless it can be proved that wearing a mask outdoors is actually harmful in spreading the virus there is nothing for anyone to criticise.
By the same token i had to go into the City today, there were some people wearing masks on the street. Now the only thing that masks/face coverings do is stop you passing germs on to other people in enclosed spaces (or coughing onto produce/goods in shops) why can the general public understand this, are people really that stupid.
No but what can expect when the basic message on ways of transmission are not being made clear in any government public health messaging. In wide open public spaces that allow for good social distancing it's not really required. But it makes perfect sense and should be encouraged in part enclosed public spacers which reduce good ventilation. Or in crowded public placers which make social distancing hard to achieve. Like my town centre for example also if you go from one shop to another it's a lot less bother just keep one on. As I do both I must be stupid or I have taken the time to read the evidence and asked a certain person who's qualified both in infection control and public health.
It's never going to be a comparison with an airline. Airlines are more heavily unionised and have a health and safety culture and communication channels on it bedded for some decades. Supermarkets are as far in some cases as it's possible to be from this.
In a supermarket if someone gets assaulted the managers acquiesce and when the cops come round they say to the managers what fecking planet are you on and to the workers how do you put up with this stuff? Best case scenario is if someone assaults someone probably more seriously than you'd imagine they get a shop life time ban. That's it. Usually it doesn't go anywhere and depending on the shop they'll get a voucher to spend and the complainee will go on twitter and moan about the place.
If you tell someone to wear a mask in a large supermarket some of them will write to head office and then the process will spiral, someone might be suspended from their job and the manager will wine and dine the complainee in a customer restaurant. That sounds like complete fiction, but that's what really happens in some chains. The larger supermarkets you may have 1 or 2 security guards. Managers aren't around. You get the idea. I asked my old establishments about mask issues and they said they'd had issues from August onwards.
Managers and head offices know the score, some are very reluctant to put up any signs saying you cannot do xyz.
By the same token i had to go into the City today, there were some people wearing masks on the street. Now the only thing that masks/face coverings do is stop you passing germs on to other people in enclosed spaces (or coughing onto produce/goods in shops) why can the general public understand this, are people really that stupid.
In city centres people are hopping between buses and or one building to another and in some cases they just can't be bothered to put them away and on again. That's fine from a habit point of view.
I'm no statistician but it's not looking good. Hopefully they will put us into an extremely aggressive lockdown again.
The metaphorical horse I invoked six months ago which had previously escaped the Solar system is now on a trajectory to the black hole at the centre of the galaxy, and the stable door bolterers are nowhere in sight.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
That's me. Also if I try to take it off/put it on whilst walking it gets tangled up in my hair or pulls my glasses off. Less bother to just keep it on
