Coronavirus outbreak

[vickster]

Yes, it is that simple - so any venue not doing it should face draconian penalties.

My preference would be for personal ID of all customers, not just one in party who is "trusted"

Certainly for adults, and kids should be with adult family anyhow (maybe not the yoofs in Maccy D's)

 

[matticus]

It's a pretty feckin massive step in terms of personal liberties to require ID checks. A number of posters will respond:
"It's hardly difficult/invasive! And everyone carries ID. Surely it's trivial if it saves thousands of deaths!"

Well, maybe ...

 

[marinyork]

Four pubs shut here the last few days for not following so called covid secure standard.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Big case numbers increase today

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Big case numbers increase today

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And also translating into hospitalizations. Doubling time maybe 10 days or so.

From the graun

• There were 275 hospital admissions for coronavirus patients in England on Monday, the most recent day for which figures are available. That is up from 237 the previous day, and the highest daily figure since late June.
• There are now 1,381 patients in hospital in England with coronavirus. A week ago the figure was 894.
• In Scotland there were 73 coronavirus patients in hospital on Tuesday (the most recent day for which figures are available on the dashboard). A week earlier was 48.
• In Wales there were 93 coronavirus patients in hospital on Tuesday (the most recent day for which figures are available on the dashboard). A week earlier was 53.
• There are 192 coronavirus patients on mechanical ventilation in hospitals in England. A week ago the figure was 107.
• In Scotland there were 10 patients on mechanical ventilation in hospital on Tuesday (the most recent figure for which figures are available on the dashboard). A week earlier the figure was six.
• In Wales there were 18 patients on mechanical ventilation in hospital on Tuesday (the most recent figure for which figures are available on the dashboard). A week earlier the figure was six.
• In Northern Ireland there were two patients on mechanical ventilation in hospital on Tuesday (the most recent figure for which figures are available on the dashboard). A week earlier the figure was two.

 

[tom73]

Pub goers are pretty much paying by contactless now, so they presumably have a card with their name printed on it (or at least one person in the group should do) - should be easy enough for staff member at door to confirm name against track and trace form / table booking (ok there may be the odd genuine D.Duck or M.Mouse out there but not so many). No ID=no entry. Or is it not that simple?

That's not going to work 1) bank cards are not legal form of ID, 2) financial information cannot as the current law stands be used for track and trace. 3) Many no longer carry a bit of plastic about but use Apple pay and the like so nothing with a name on to check. I for one don't my mate is the same. Or 4) Many placers make you order and pay by an app so no card used either. The ones who really care will already have a basic policy of if they don't believe you they wont serve you. Any licensee can refuse to serve anyone as it is. The ones who don't care won't last much longer now local authorities have legal power to act. Which on track and trace they only got last week. An area near me has already closed down 5. Once covid secure becomes legal requirement they will have more power.Be a lot more simpler than going going down the licensing route. How quick they can deal with them is all down to numbers of LA enforcement offices which have been cut to the bone.
One things for sure license renew time will interesting. If the app was more than it is and had a secure booking element that meant all booking went though it and ID checked in ways government online already has in place before you even got the door. We'd not have a problem at all if it went together with effective track and trace that's all joined up with local primary care and public health. Which we still don't have.
One thing I'd have like to have been added is the legal requirement to publicly display the covid risk assessment. Including on SM and websites. You'd quickly see who been bothered by a quick read before you get to the door. One place I went to did just that and one quick read showed they'd done everything by the book.
In the end if people want to carry on treating this thing as joke then they need a wake up call it's not about them it's about everyone.
This is a pandemic and we don't have time for oh but I can't , Oh i don't want to , oh i won't well it's simple oh just get a fecking grip.

 

[tom73]

More on NHS App inc how it works out if your at risk of having covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54250736

 

[mjr]

Clarified! You've tried to explain, more than once what you meant, and your answers don't match.

In your opinion, but whatever.

How do you take action against someone who has given false details?

I meant against the pub accepting M Mouse, D Trump and B Johnson, but whatever.

The minority have made it worse for the majority. As is often the case. And many have had action taken against them, but they don't seem to care. Just another example of "I'm alright Jack, sod you". My enjoyment is more important than your health. Explain why you feel this is the case.

I don't. Stop making shoot up about me, please.

With regards "socialising", are you saying that pubs are the only place where this can take place.

No. As you noted, other socialising venues are also being restricted too, although in different ways. Even open-air socialising is being restricted and, as you noted, the differences do not make sense.

The core absurdity is illustrated by it being legal to meet multiple groups of five through a day in an airtight room, but it's illegal to meet six others outdoors once.

 

[mjr]

More on NHS App inc how it works out if your at risk of having covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54250736

Has anyone seen a decent independent review and build of the source code yet, please?

The attempt to add some carrots to it (such as check-in and local area info) is better than the failed attempt, but I'm still not convinced those carrots and basically appealing to people's altruism (the "if enough people use this app, fewer will die" argument) is enough to overcome the stick of it being able to order you to quarantine.

 

[marinyork]

More on NHS App inc how it works out if your at risk of having covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54250736

As it's attempting to measure up to 4 metres there will be a lot of false positives. Not sure the weighting is correct at half there either.

 

[tom73]

As it's attempting to measure up to 4 metres there will be a lot of false positives. Not sure the weighting is correct at half there either.

Yes It is a bit out without knowing the error margin it's hard to say just how much and how many false positives it though up.
Any idea what other counties have used with similar coded based app ?
If it keeps giving you false readings once too often. Many will just stop using it.

 

[lane]

So far only one thing has worked to curb covid worldwide

 

[marinyork]

Yes It is a bit out without knowing the error margin it's hard to say just how much and how many false positives it though up.
Any idea what other counties have used with similar coded based app ?
If it keeps giving you false readings once too often. Many will just stop using it.

I'm not sure how accurate the calibration values are for each phone (yeah I know they exist). I'm not even sure how long the advertise is and how often it's repeated.

I did hear that Singapore got very frustrated and launched a single device for people to use.

 

[mjr]

So far only one thing has worked to curb covid worldwide

Do you mean lockdown or decent test-and-trace?

 

[classic33]

In your opinion, but whatever.

Your first response was "I said mainly"

I meant against the pub accepting M Mouse, D Trump and B Johnson, but whatever.

The individuals using those names were the ones I meant, clearly asked.

I don't. Stop making shoot up about me, please.


No. As you noted, other socialising venues are also being restricted too, although in different ways. Even open-air socialising is being restricted and, as you noted, the differences do not make sense.

The core absurdity is illustrated by it being legal to meet multiple groups of five through a day in an airtight room, but it's illegal to meet six others outdoors once.

Nothing has been "made up" about you. What was clearly stated was "The minority have made it worse for the majority. As is often the case.".