fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
That's my colleagues feeling ! If NHS have said that, work will expect her in
. It's coming.
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That's my colleagues feeling ! If NHS have said that, work will expect her in
. It's coming.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
I'm not overly sure the 'sniffles and coughs' stay at home idea is good - most of the folk in the office have sniffles or coughs. My wife is still coughing from the last infection in February, and I still have sniffles. There will be no-one in the office. If my colleague has to come in, I better make sure I don't go near MIL/my parents.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
I would be interested to know.......
Who is making him come back ie italian govt, etc ??
Will his insurance cover him?
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Been on phone to his Mrs this am whilst she is here in work. Hasn't been allowed on the slopes and will literally be sent home tomorrow - I assume his travel company will be doing it. I'd also assume he will have to claim off insurance for the lost trip. I'd find the nearest 'pub'.
stowie
Legendary Member
I watched Newsnight last night who had managed to get an interview with the leading virologist and epidemiologist Nigel Farage. It good to see that serious news programmes are listening to the experts.
Does anyone know if one of the symptons of COVID-19 is a weird pandering to right-wing populists?
PS : The only upside to Newsight interviewing Farage is seeing him berate Johnson for inaction only to squirm around when asked exactly the same questions about Trump and his batshit utterances.
Farage is a master of working himself into the narrative. During the interview he said if there was a lot of cases in the UK traced back to returnees from N Italy there would be hell to pay. Meaning that if there were he would look all smug whilst replaying the interview over and over again, but if there wasn't no-one would remember what he said.
Does anyone know if one of the symptons of COVID-19 is a weird pandering to right-wing populists?
PS : The only upside to Newsight interviewing Farage is seeing him berate Johnson for inaction only to squirm around when asked exactly the same questions about Trump and his batshit utterances.
Farage is a master of working himself into the narrative. During the interview he said if there was a lot of cases in the UK traced back to returnees from N Italy there would be hell to pay. Meaning that if there were he would look all smug whilst replaying the interview over and over again, but if there wasn't no-one would remember what he said.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
What conceivable reason was there for interviewing him on coronavirus? Seems bizarre.
If there had been a coronavirus lockdown in a pub that would have made more sense. Well less sense as he would have been drinking a lot. More entertaining.
stowie
Legendary Member
Parliamentary parties are generally not lambasting the government because we are in the midst of a national crisis and typically that means the opposition will not be unquestioning but will temper criticism. So Newsnight were clearly casting around for the "opposition view" and Farage hoves into view as someone who is never afraid to give controversial opinions on things he has no idea about.
RecordAceFromNew
Swinging Member
- Location
- West London
It is charming that you follow Boris' guideline without question, but are you aware that you are acting against WHO guideline, which clearly says people should practice social distancing at all stages (see page 2, and links thereof) because of the virus.
I don't know if "lockdown" has a single definition , but social distancing can range from draconian to laissez faire to some sensible compromise in between, but the objective is to minimise interpersonal transmission to keep more people alive, by avoiding non-essential contacts where possible, so that the number of infected does not overwhelm the healthcare system, like what has already happened in Italy, undoubtedly what is happening in Iran, and what happened in Wuhan initially.
Take a moment to think about it, and ask yourself these questions:
1) Is washing hands while singing Happy Birthday going to stop the exponential growth of infected?
2) If the answer to 1) is no, is it not just a matter of time (actually days) the number of infected will hit thousand(s) without social distancing?
3) Isn't it blindingly obvious that more lives will be saved, and indeed quicker for a higher degree of normality to return, and hence less economic/social downside, when the number of infected can be much lower, preferably in low hundreds e.g., rather than thousands?
4) Given fewer infected means less negatives on all counts, why delay social distancing? It is not as if letting the number of infected grow untempered is a real choice, is it?
If you disagree, please explain why not telling schools to close, telling people to work from home where possible, or banning all mass sporting/leisure gatherings etc.?
In other words, why letting the problem mushroom, causing the inevitable firefighting in the NHS is your preference? How would letting the problem magnify exponentially make recovery quicker and causing less economic damage to all concerned?
In Hongkong and Macau, they practised social distancing as stated above since late January. They have managed to control the number of infected to c120 for a highly densely populated place of 8 millions, without ever overwhelming either tracking efforts or the healthcare system, and only 3 died.
The thing to remember, is even if new infection can be stopped completely today, the number of infected identified will continue to grow exponentially for about a week (because it takes time for symptoms to appear and hence detected) - i.e. in practice we have hit c1000 already. What exactly are we waiting for?
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
For info the only social distancing enacted in HK was to close schools and stop large scale public gatherings. There were and are no limitations on public transport, restaurants, museums, shops etc etc etc
HK has a population who knows the drill. They are voluntarily staying at home. That, along with hand washing, is what has limited the virus' spread.
Chatting to friends in HK I was amazed the MTR wasn't closed. They explained that it was really quiet anyway as people stayed at home voluntarily
So by the same token we could close schools and ban large public gatherings (I suspect we are getting close to these now). Beyond that we could stop it in its tracks like HK has done by voluntarily applying social distancing and washing our hands. Whether the UK population is willing to do that is another matter
HK has a population who knows the drill. They are voluntarily staying at home. That, along with hand washing, is what has limited the virus' spread.
Chatting to friends in HK I was amazed the MTR wasn't closed. They explained that it was really quiet anyway as people stayed at home voluntarily
So by the same token we could close schools and ban large public gatherings (I suspect we are getting close to these now). Beyond that we could stop it in its tracks like HK has done by voluntarily applying social distancing and washing our hands. Whether the UK population is willing to do that is another matter
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
We've just moved from checking your laptop's VPN is working, to take your laptops home each night, just in case the Uni has to close. Time to make some space on the conservatory table (covered in Mrs F's sewing projects at present).
I don't follow Boris without question but I' more than able to use information that's sound and fact. PHE , CMO and others are not the government or in the pocket of Boris. But are skilled HCP's who know what needs to be and when to do it.
To make an informed measured approach. I'm not an expert but am not without knowledge and skills of infection control either.
If I got in a panic every time MRS 73 has nursed anyone with highly infectious illness I'd never leave my bed.
What ever the next steps are and when they take them it has to be based on fact's and effective tracking of the virus spread in this county.
The NHS and PHE have been highly effective at tracking this together with contact tracing.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
There's a graphic on twitter that illustrates simply the benefits of protective measures to delay the epidemic and thereby reduce peak demand on hospitals >>>
At 83, the Daily Mail got her at last. My mum has been self isolating since Saturday, is refusing to go for lunch, has sent me a to-do shopping list and I've got to leave the stuff in her garage because I work at the hospital.
Been told that I probably won't come into contact with any suspected cases, strange as they have no issues putting me confined spaces with worse, or suspected worse virus's, fully armoured with a pinny and gloves.
Been told that I probably won't come into contact with any suspected cases, strange as they have no issues putting me confined spaces with worse, or suspected worse virus's, fully armoured with a pinny and gloves.
