Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

Some have put fairly elaborate safety measures in place even for takeaway and yet still no business. I think it was 10 cafes I looked at. At present probably not enough business to support maybe just even 1 out of those 10 without government loans/subsidies/whatever.

They need to tell those of us faraway what they've done, else we won't come in because we don't have any other reason to be there now we work at home. I'm not clear what most of the local food sellers are doing except for the coffee and food trailers that have set up at various places because I can be confident there that I won't be in an enclosed space because they don't have any!

I've been into a nearby city once since lockdown and that was to get a takeaway from the truly wonderful Waffle House who have been very clear on social networks IMO. I hope they are rewarded with survival.

 

[marinyork]

They need to tell those of us faraway what they've done, else we won't come in because we don't have any other reason to be there now we work at home. I'm not clear what most of the local food sellers are doing except for the coffee and food trailers that have set up at various places because I can be confident there that I won't be in an enclosed space because they don't have any!

I've been into a nearby city once since lockdown and that was to get a takeaway from the truly wonderful Waffle House who have been very clear on social networks IMO. I hope they are rewarded with survival.

The government I don't think are really aiming at most of the people on this board. It's getting others back to work in city centres.

I think it really depends how you think the other people come to decisions. Most of the people on this thread are locked away in houses far, far away from the virus. Even in 2020 there isn't necessarily the will for many small businesses or large ones with generic pages for stores to put the sort of information people would want up. I suspect there's a downside to that as well, if someone saw photos of some of the coffee shops I've seen from outside, I think they wouldn't go anywhere near them not for reasons of safety but the experience not being the same etc!

Numbers wise I think the social media side would only talk to a small steady core of customers, which may instill confidence.

I think how many people come to return to things is by normalisation and several boring low key conversations/views/experiences of friends/acquaintances. Whilst everyone is still at home those conversations are happening at a very slow rate to tempt enough people out.

From the coffee shop point of view, I think people might be surprised by the current low level of risk largely derived from so few using them + combined with safety measures. For many there'll be no experience there, almost no reason to and most importantly many of the people they want to go with they can't see/can't persuade. And many closed.

 

[marinyork]

Whitty and Valance on now and was a fair bit of talk about the public understanding reasons in public health messages.

Phin said the discovery of asymtomatic patients the most important thing in terms of policy change. Vallance said genomics very important and used tracing in/out of hospitals and importing/seeding from Italy, Spain and France. Whitty said blood clot discovery and recovery trial was important and came up with critical finding that dexamethasone significantly reduces mortality with severe disease.

 

[tom73]

He also made clear the importance of public buying into public health messaging. Which has to improve as it's not good enough.

 

[marinyork]

Transport advice changes:

You can help control coronavirus and travel safely by walking and cycling, if you can. Where this is not possible, use public transport or drive. You can also help control coronavirus by:

• working from home where possible
• washing or sanitising your hands regularly
• keeping your distance when you travel, where possible
• avoiding the busiest routes, as well as busy times like the rush hour

and private cars subtly changes:-

Plan your route, including any breaks, before setting out. Routes may be different as local areas make changes to enable social distancing.

Check that your vehicle is safe and roadworthy if you haven’t used it for several weeks.

People from a household or support bubble can travel together in a vehicle.

You should wear a face covering in an enclosed space where social distancing isn’t possible and where you will come into contact with people outside your household or support bubble. Take care to use face coverings properly.

Consider making a list of items to take with you.

Only travel into, out of and within areas under local lockdown if your travel is essential.

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Think the latter may get another amend.

 

[marinyork]

Rochdale and Wakefield councils asking people to do things beyond government rules and recommendations, around masks and other things.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

 

[marinyork]

Boris getting savaged in some papers and praised in others for 'significant return to normality by Christmas'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53453086

This country is split right down the middle again.

 

[Slick]

Boris getting savaged in some papers and praised in others for 'significant return to normality by Christmas'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53453086

This country is split right down the middle again.

At some point you have to accept that he has a bit more access to information and data about how this is progressing than your average CC user and there is a chance that he's actually right. Here's hoping anyway and I suppose it's down to us all to ensure we don't become one of their acceptable casualties on the way back to normality.

 

[srw]

has a bit more access to information and data about how this is progressing than your average CC user and there is a chance that he's actually right

He doesn't, and he's not. HTH.

 

[Slick]

He doesn't, and he's not. HTH.

No it's not particularly helpful especially as it's quite clear he does.

 

[Bromptonaut]

No it's not particularly helpful especially as it's quite clear he does.

It's just possible he might theoretically have such access. There is however literally nothing in his past roles or the current one which suggests he has the slightest interest in engaging with detail.

 

[Slick]

Possible? Theoretically? Really?

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

No it's not particularly helpful especially as it's quite clear he does.

I agree. I mean, he's aware there is a report into the possibility of a second wave this winter. He just hasn't read it.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...-on-second-wave-of-coronavirus-pmqs-1-6746998

 

[marinyork]

At some point you have to accept that he has a bit more access to information and data about how this is progressing than your average CC user and there is a chance that he's actually right. Here's hoping anyway and I suppose it's down to us all to ensure we don't become one of their acceptable casualties on the way back to normality.

I was commenting how society seems very split on the matter. It's then very difficult to implement things.

Whether Boris is right or not, the comments you made, would not be out of place around February or March earlier this year. On the day of Boris's comments and the day before his chief medical officer and chief scientific advisor in particular were busy giving evidence to two committees saying that social distancing would be around for a long time and that the virus would probably be around (in some form) for years. One was also discussing the semantics of how he described a second wave, but said that the winter outbreak which could be much larger was part of the first wave and he hadn't spoken to a single person that thought there wouldn't be an outbreak in the winter. At various times recently talk has been preparation for winter and around September the virus might start to pick up again with November it really kicking off. Further back in time it's been suggested February would be the worst month for transmission. In recent days there's been commentary on keeping an eye on the southern hemisphere currently and seeing what can be learnt about winter transmission for us northern hemispherers.

There are a number of deus ex machinas discussed at great length previously about the virus going away. I just don't think what the world, even lay people have learnt about the virus the last six months supports this in any way. Even in Italy now they think there may be a second winter wave and that country is as 1-peaker ish as it gets!