Coronavirus outbreak

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Johnno260

Guru
Location
East Sussex
I don’t even watch the news anymore, if there is a change and my employer wants me to attend the office then I’m sure I will be told.

I won’t be rushing back to cinemas and pubs anytime soon.

We support local business with regards to smaller shops and takeaways for me that’s enough for the time being.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
I may go to our caravan site's pub when that can open (Wales) so long as it's a warm day and I can sit outside - here is hoping the pub will expand the outside seating. Me, my pint and my bottle of hand wash !

One of the pubs on my usual lunch route was busy arranging it's outside seating so it was all socially distanced yesterday.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
If you are off to the Pubs, bars and restaurants remember it's not going to be the same of some time.
Table service indoors, and owners will be asked to keep contact details of customers to help with contact tracing.
So that then beings into play data issues and even if some have any way to take the details in the first place.
The odd one is placers of worship can open for full Services but no need to recored who go's.
 

GilesM

Legendary Member
Location
East Lothian
Good for you, while I have sympathy for the pubs affected I’m not going to risk my life to keep them in business. We don’t have to go to the pub to spend cash.

I have huge sympathy for the pubs and the people who work in them, and every extra day they are forced to stay shut the chance of them reopening is greatly reduced, we all have to assess the risk, and at this point in time I think the risk is very low, I am very happy that I will soon have the choice to go to the pub again, it's just disappointing that it won't be a local pub.
 

midlife

Guru
What the heck is going to happen to those most at risk come August. How can a teacher or nurse work safely when they, for example, may have a severe heart or lung condition.

Some employers will insist they are back at work, or no pay. My employer is looking at 5 different classes of staff, from can work safely on site to those who won't be able to risk coming in.


I work across sites and there was a rather hurried risk assessment carried out recently. Nothing like the whiff of litigation to get the NHS moving.

Not sure what the eventual outcome is going to be. Where I work the older cohort is one of the largest. People come here to work into retirement, I did ! If they remove vulnerable staff from patient facing roles the reduction in service will be significant. What can you do with a clinician who cannot see patients, medically retire them?
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I have huge sympathy for the pubs and the people who work in them, and every extra day they are forced to stay shut the chance of them reopening is greatly reduced, we all have to assess the risk, and at this point in time I think the risk is very low, I am very happy that I will soon have the choice to go to the pub again, it's just disappointing that it won't be a local pub.
It won’t be the same

View: https://youtu.be/wrZg9U5TwLA
 

GilesM

Legendary Member
Location
East Lothian
If you are off to the Pubs, bars and restaurants remember it's not going to be the same of some time.
Table service indoors, and owners will be asked to keep contact details of customers to help with contact tracing.
So that then beings into play data issues and even if some have any way to take the details in the first place.
The odd one is placers of worship can open for full Services but no need to recored who go's.

I'm more than happy to have table service, very civilised, and so what if I have to tell the pub owner who I am, half the time I go out is to a pub or restaurant where I've booked a table, I am sure it won't be the same to start with, (probably for some time) but sure beats no pubs or restaurants, and a huge increase in unemployment. I have no doubt proper draught beer will still taste good, and good food cooked by somebody else will be wonderful.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
If you are off to the Pubs, bars and restaurants remember it's not going to be the same of some time.
Table service indoors, and owners will be asked to keep contact details of customers to help with contact tracing.
So that then beings into play data issues and even if some have any way to take the details in the first place.
The odd one is placers of worship can open for full Services but no need to recored who go's.
Are they introducing any kind of guidelines for pubs as I can see some pubs just opening as before unless told otherwise? I did hear the bit you mention about having to give your contact details, before entering, in case someone tests positive.
 

GilesM

Legendary Member
Location
East Lothian
It won’t be the same

It certainly won't be if we don't go.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
It certainly won't be if we don't go.
I'm sure there will be plenty of takers so I don't think you need to worry too much.

As much as I like a beer, I think little we are a little too alcohol obsessed, but that's probably for another thread.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Are they introducing any kind of guidelines for pubs as I can see some pubs just opening as before unless told otherwise? I did hear the bit you mention about having to give your contact details, before entering, in case someone tests positive.
Yes normal things everyone else as had to do. How it works for each pub lords knows and even with 2M now down to 1M it's still not worth some opening anyway. New rules are coming in to make it easy for pubs to have more outside areas. With a bit of imagination the small pubs could be helped a lot. The big boys will be fine but they are not the once needing help.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
Yes normal things everyone else as had to do. How it works for each pub lords knows and even with 2M now down to 1M it's still not worth some opening anyway. New rules are coming in to make it easy for pubs to have more outside areas. With a bit of imagination the small pubs could be helped a lot. The big boys will be fine but they are not the once needing help.
Everyone favourite landlord, Wetherspoons, will be fine with his ordering at the table app.
 

MntnMan62

Über Member
Location
Northern NJ
While I'm concerned about the economic fallout from this virus, I'm also concerned about people's lives. Not just people dying from the virus but people who contract the virus and survive with permanent damage to vital organs. This is happening to not just the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions but children and otherwise healthy adults of all ages. The virus can permanently scar the lungs, damage the heart, kidneys, etc. It would be one thing if this was like the flu where you have to have symptoms in order to transmit the virus to someone else. But asympomatic people can transmit it as well. It is only because of this aspect of the virus that we are seeing the lockdowns which has had such a devastating impact on economies around the planet. What also hasn't helped is how the pandemic response has been completely mishandled, at least here in the US. What's even more unconscionable is the admission that they ordered the slowdown of testing. That is something that I just can't get my head around. I understand his motivation for it. I can't possibly understand the justification for it. From day one I have believed that the only way to deal with it is to conduct testing on a massive scale. That way those who need to be quarantined can be quarantined and everyone else can go about their business. The virus would be tracked and managed and I guarantee the economy would not have been squashed as it has been because no one was willing to do what was necessary. I call that incompetence and gross negligence. That's my rant.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
While I'm concerned about the economic fallout from this virus, I'm also concerned about people's lives. Not just people dying from the virus but people who contract the virus and survive with permanent damage to vital organs. This is happening to not just the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions but children and otherwise healthy adults of all ages. The virus can permanently scar the lungs, damage the heart, kidneys, etc. It would be one thing if this was like the flu where you have to have symptoms in order to transmit the virus to someone else. But asympomatic people can transmit it as well. It is only because of this aspect of the virus that we are seeing the lockdowns which has had such a devastating impact on economies around the planet. What also hasn't helped is how the pandemic response has been completely mishandled, at least here in the US. What's even more unconscionable is the admission that they ordered the slowdown of testing. That is something that I just can't get my head around. I understand his motivation for it. I can't possibly understand the justification for it. From day one I have believed that the only way to deal with it is to conduct testing on a massive scale. That way those who need to be quarantined can be quarantined and everyone else can go about their business. The virus would be tracked and managed and I guarantee the economy would not have been squashed as it has been because no one was willing to do what was necessary. I call that incompetence and gross negligence. That's my rant.
I only hope lessons are learned for next time. With better handling and, now with experience, we should do better.

I'm really not hopeful they will do better next time though, they really are poorer than I could have imagined, and that's a depressing thought.
 
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