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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
With tens of thousands now congregating in public, the lockdown tactic is completely finished. Will we see a spike in a week?
Be aware that some of the photos are doing the same sort of foreshortening trick as was used against cyclists earlier.

One gathering is unlikely to start a second wave alone. Which of thousands of buses every day or a few dozen one off gatherings is more likely to be a problem? Do we concentrate on the woods or a few trees?
 

Slick

Guru
The usual under reporting of deaths over the weekend apply but zero deaths in Scotland over the past 24 hours which may signal some hope.
 

midlife

Guru
Do Scotland still not count deaths if the result comes from a commercial lab, or did I miss read an article a while ago?
 

Slick

Guru
I thought England was also guilty of that undercounting?
No links, but I think that's correct.

Despite no recorded deaths today, she did also say that further deaths were likely.

I just felt it was a significant moment for us which is why I shared it.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Two to three weeks I'd say. I hope my nephew is keeping well clear from his dad after going to the protests at weekend - his dad has dodgy ticker !

My other nephew had to try to steer clear of the protests in Manchester - had to go into work for a CV19 test, with a hope to going back next week. His mum works at a care home (he lives with mum), so my wife making masks for when other nephew needs to use public transport.
 
Be aware that some of the photos are doing the same sort of foreshortening trick as was used against cyclists earlier.

One gathering is unlikely to start a second wave alone. Which of thousands of buses every day or a few dozen one off gatherings is more likely to be a problem? Do we concentrate on the woods or a few trees?

That is not the point. It is not about causing 'the next wave' but a smaller series of localised spikes. It sets the principle that it is OK to have mass close contact meetings if the cause is just, and who decides if the next cause is just. Cummings actions were unlikely to cause a future second wave, but the example he set, and got away with, weakened the guidelines and gave waverers an excuse to follow suit. The principle is the same here, but with greater risks in the very short term.

I know it is difficult, and not popular, to criticise anything to do with the Black Lives Matter demonstrations but this is possibly the one specific criticism that is valid.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
I wonder how many deaths are going to be attributable to these demos and if the victims think it was a cause worth dying for?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I know it is difficult, and not popular, to criticise anything to do with the Black Lives Matter demonstrations but this is possibly the one specific criticism that is valid.
It really isn't. Let's criticise any lack of social distancing at it. Let's criticise the cynical government advice not to protest (rather than them helping the protest to be as low risk as possible). But please let's not criticise the protest for happening at all.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Most people estimate locally there were 6000 in town yesterday. I don't know about other cities. There are a lot of cities. A lot of postmillenials seemed very conflicted about attendence.

It does have to be said that new cases per day is estimated to be 5600 a day and this has fallen a lot. Around just before lockdown it's estimated it was 100,000 new cases a day.

The 1000 people on park greens everyday in groups of 8-15 for the last two or three weeks is another that'll tip it upwards.
 
It really isn't. Let's criticise any lack of social distancing at it. Let's criticise the cynical government advice not to protest (rather than them helping the protest to be as low risk as possible). But please let's not criticise the protest for happening at all.
Luckily I didn't do that, then. It is the disregard for social distancing that I criticised. I am glad we are in agreement.
 
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