Coronavirus outbreak

[gavgav]

Cumbria will remain in lockdown and visitors will be turned away... the Police are terrified of anyone becoming ill and Cumbria has one of the highest rates of infection per100,000... they know what West Cumberland Hospital was like before C-19.

I don’t see how they can turn them away, under the new guidelines that people can drive as far as they want in England, for exercise? Just to be clear, though, it’s my favourite part of the country, but I definitely Won’t be travelling there until this is all over.

 

[Archie_tect]

I don’t see how they can turn them away, under the new guidelines that people can drive as far as they want in England, for exercise? Just to be clear, though, it’s my favourite part of the country, but I definitely Won’t be travelling there until this is all over.

Prepare for 'beauty spots' to be inundated with people wishing to exercise and sunbathe in parks, as allowed in Boris Johnson's speech yesterday...

 

[gavgav]

Prepare for 'beauty spots' to be inundated with people wishing to exercise and sunbathe in parks, as allowed in Boris Johnson's speech yesterday...

I’m afraid so. I fully expect Church Stretton and The Longmynd (near me in Shropshire) to be inundated with visitors from The West Midlands, from Wednesday onwards 😞

 

[matticus]

was there a change in how far we can *drive* to exercise?

I recall (pre-may 10th): guidelines said a long walk would justify a short drive (but not vice-versa). Location irrelevant (so Middlesex no different from Cumbria);
May 10th speech - "no limit to duration of exercise".

 

[marinyork]

was there a change in how far we can *drive* to exercise?

I recall (pre-may 10th): guidelines said a long walk would justify a short drive (but not vice-versa). Location irrelevant (so Middlesex no different from Cumbria);
May 10th speech - "no limit to duration of exercise".

It's not clear until when it's released in 50 page format with accompanying documents.

Given the garden centre guidelines I'm guessing it'll be a fairly substantial distance!

 

[gavgav]

Folks, before this gets too heated let's perhaps remember that this is how sensible people were at the start of the current restrictions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

The new slogan does sound weak. Perhaps Mr Johnson's address shortly will do something to rectify that, but until we know what he has said, let's not all fall out please.

I think we were debating rather than falling out, but point taken 👍🏻

 

[SpokeyDokey]

The Beebs take on what is happening in Paris - maybe the 50-pager later today will specify masks for us too?

In Paris, cautious steps out of lockdown

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Commuters wearing face masks walk at the Saint Lazare railway station in ParisImage caption: Commuters wearing face masks walk at the Saint Lazare railway station in Paris
In the French capital, metro and bus services are operating, though only every second seat can be used and masks are compulsory. The public transport network is less crowded than feared as commuter traffic has remained light.
Car traffic is much less dense than in normal times, and with bars and cafés shut - and no tourists to speak of - the city still feels unusually quiet, says the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris.
On the metro and suburban commuter lines, passengers need an authorisation from their employer if they travel during rush hour - and in general, it has been possible to maintain social distancing.
The head of the Paris public transport operator RATP, Catherine Guillouard, noted people were mostly wearing masks around the network - which "even goes beyond 95% in some places".
But on some parts of the system, there have been incidents of commuters struggling to maintain social distancing.
There was some congestion first thing this morning on line 13 of the metro network after water leaks at two stations caused traffic delays, leading to carriages being overcrowded.
And at some RER stations, commuters were also unable to observe social-distancing rules.

 

[johnblack]

It will be down to all employers to assess and put into place measures that are suitable for each individual workplace, not the government...and that's the way it should be. Perhaps he could have made that clear but it's an obvious to me at least.
I've worked all the way through the lockdown and you're all, well a lot of people, are going to be distinctly uncomfortable with going back because you're likely not going to get a perfect solution, its impossible. My company has put loads of measures in place...lots of money spent, lots of day to day managing of problem areas...and yet, achieving safe distancing at all times is virtually impossible, it make me mad sometimes, it makes me nervous most 9f the time....and it's what 90% of people are going to have to confront unless you're very lucky.
The government cannot answer and solve all the issues, there are going to be a myriad of uncertainties and compromises to be made, people are just waking up to it. Lockdown was easy, going back to work isnt going to be in many cases. Welcome to my world all you so far lucky people that were furloughed.

This /\.

There cannot be rules for every single scenario, employers and individuals have to take the guidlines given and work with them, we cannot remain confined forever, and there will be some extra risks, but we face risks everyday anyway.

Most of what was said last night seemed pretty straight forward to me, I can't understand why some people are making it sound like it wasn't.

 

[Rocky]

This /\.

There cannot be rules for every single scenario, employers and individuals have to take the guidlines given and work with them, we cannot remain confined forever, and there will be some extra risks, but we face risks everyday anyway.

Most of what was said last night seemed pretty straight forward to me, I can't understand why some people are making it sound like it wasn't.

The reason it sounds straightforward was that it lacked any meaningful detail, and, leaving aside the obvious contradictions, could be interpreted in different ways. What you think you can do from Wednesday, is likely very different to my interpretation. Therein lies the problem.

Let’s see what the 50 page guidelines says.

 

[johnblack]

The reason it sounds straightforward was that it lacked any meaningful detail, and, leaving aside the obvious contradictions, could be interpreted in different ways. What you think you can do from Wednesday, is likely very different to my interpretation. Therein lies the problem.

Let’s see what the 50 page guidelines says.

Yep and in the meantime I will carry on doing what I have been doing and wait for my employer to tell me what they want me to do.

 

[Rocky]

Yep and in the meantime I will carry on doing what I have been doing and wait for my employer to tell me what they want me to do.

Why not take your lead from the clear instructions provided by Boris?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

The reason it sounds straightforward was that it lacked any meaningful detail, and, leaving aside the obvious contradictions, could be interpreted in different ways. What you think you can do from Wednesday, is likely very different to my interpretation. Therein lies the problem.

Let’s see what the 50 page guidelines says.

I think that's the moot point.

I'm also of the opinion that the messaging is so multi-layered that there will still be gaps to fill in as the information is disseminated down to the end users; therefore, I'm not expecting every question that we want to know the answer to will be answered today. The issues are too vast and too complex to nail down every last detail - at some point we have to pick up the batton and run with it and make it work.

I'm not attempting to over-simplify matters, far from, but the hysterical knee jerk reactions from the media are of no help whatsoever. It would be good to see such influential channels building on central messages with sound, practical thoughts and advice.

 

[marinyork]

Yep and in the meantime I will carry on doing what I have been doing and wait for my employer to tell me what they want me to do.

I wouldn't have trusted either of my last two employers on H&S for coronavirus and thankful not to be there.

The worry some will have will be people will start work first and then a week or two later they'll be a health and safety 'update' which will probably have some decent stuff in it, but time will have elapsed.

 

[tom73]

The reason it sounds straightforward was that it lacked any meaningful detail, and, leaving aside the obvious contradictions, could be interpreted in different ways. What you think you can do from Wednesday, is likely very different to my interpretation. Therein lies the problem.

Let’s see what the 50 page guidelines says.

Will enough people read it and will it be worth the paper it's on is the big question.
Workplace's can put in all the measures they like.But sending out the idea you're free to do what you like away from it anyway.
Is just making everything a whole lot worse.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

I wouldn't have trusted either of my last two employers on H&S for coronavirus and thankful not to be there.

The worry some will have will be people will start work first and then a week or two later they'll be a health and safety 'update' which will probably have some decent stuff in it, but time will have elapsed.

Agreed.

Let's hope that sense will prevail and that workable solutions will be found in terms of a ramp-up approach.