Rocky
Hello decadence
Fingers crossed!!
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To tell you the truth, I'm bleedin' fed up with all the talk of masks and PPE in this household. It's been enough to make me want to take a polyamorous lover or develop a mathematical model
It's the pearls of being married to a HCP talks either about some new idea/paper or I had this lovely weeping wound to sort out today.
You will know just what I mean
Inertia
I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I do know what you mean although I dont think peple rubbished them exactly. I think a lot of it was in answer to people thinking either that masks gave them 100% protection, or didnt realise how they worked.@Brompton Bruce
I don't know your wife, and I don't know what you've said in the past about masks! That BMJ article seems reasonable to me. I was trying to make the point that a LOT of people have been rubbishing mask-wearing almost through-out the pandemic, usually referencing the older studies.
I find the very recent shift in public opinion interesting, it really feels like a tipping point, not the gradual shift over years that humanity usually exhibits. Hopefully it is a move in the right direction
All uphill
Still rolling along
- Location
- Somerset
Here's a "for example". There are many more scenarios that could happen.
One of my family lives in an inner city flat. His bed is next to an internal wall. He leaves his phone by his bed overnight.
The other side of the wall is an Airbnb apartment.
What if some people with terrorist links stay in the Airbnb, and their phones talk to my family member's phone He has been in close proximity for hours. He is now on a watch list of the security services.
How will that affect a Visa request for the USA?
Low Gear Guy
Veteran
- Location
- Surrey
Was that before or after the phone call from the man from the ministry?
I think it may have been in between Hancock being told we don't have enough PPE and Hancock publicly blaming HCP's for misusing it.
If the government decide to recommend them the public aren't daft. The government need to say that if everyone wears a face covering or mask in situations x, y and z that their models say that it reduces R(t) by 0.2 which helps keep it under 1 along with physical distancing. Adverts. Posters. Keep reinforcing it. Pictures. As detailed as possible. Explain when R is lower, smaller gains to reduce R are important in this phase.
We need to get rid the sort of daft stuff where it is thought the public don't understand graphs, exponential curves or anything more than 1950s advice. Most of the sage advice that's finally been published a school child would understand.
On that exact topic I think face coverings, masks and respirators are becoming less common in shops and outside.
It won't.
You are suggesting that every person that the "person with terrorist links" has passed that has the app, is now on a watch list. Everyone at the airport, on the train, who was in the cafe or the newsagent, or that the person walked past on the street is now on the watch list. The security services will have to do some recruiting to cope with the volumes involved. Even if the data were analysed and your relatives phone came up as being in proximity and the security services decided that was interesting enough to look at, unless that person is a "wrong-un" they will quickly exclude that data.
Secondly the app is using Bluetooth. Almost all mobiles are Class 2 which means Bluetooth has a range of about 10m and range tends to be impaired by things like walls.
This was touched on in today's briefing.
I think the way to look at it is that the various counties measure and report different things in different ways.
The international comparison graphs are therefore comparing numbers of Apples, Oranges, Bananas and Tomatoes and the way the numbers of each change over time.
It is not the absolute number of each that is important, but (provided each set of data is self-consistent over time) the patterns and trends that emerge and differences between the patterns and trends.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Certainly does for KingRollo.
Blooming heck! I was under the impression that the NHS was falling apart according to the media and the permanently miserable on social media.
A friend of mine who operates at a fairly senior operational level in the NHS is adamant that our local hospitals and field staff have no shortage of appropriate PPE.
Perhaps the shortages affect some parts of the country more than others?
Once again, I am convinced I live in a parallel universe to that which is described online.
Rocky
Hello decadence
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The distribution of PPE is patchy. I know from my son’s experience that there is quite a serious shortage in one London hospital. I also know that many GPs in this area have real problems. I’m sure other places have sufficient PPE to cope.
I’d like to believe the government briefing but my family members working in health care tell me a different story.
If the newspapers report that 50 hospitals have told them that they have PPE supply problems, that sounds a dreadful number and major issue.
What it actually means is that 96% of hospitals* do not have PPE supply problems
*1257 NHS hospitals in the UK, not counting the Nightingales or the Private hospitals currently used by the NHS.
Inertia
I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
You could spin it that way but that isn’t what it means. The only thing it tells you is that 96% of hospitals haven’t contacted the papers to say they have supply problems.
And 50 hospitals still sounds like a lot even if it’s a small proportion of a lot.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Spiegelhalter seems to be getting fed up with misrespresentations from people such as the Prime Minister..
View: https://twitter.com/d_spiegel/status/1258087627003179009
View: https://twitter.com/d_spiegel/status/1258087627003179009
