Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

On the one hand, people criticise the government for not initiating track and trace from the outset*; on the other hand when the government initiate track and trace, people criticise the government on privacy grounds.

On the one hand, people criticise the government for not initiating lockdown earlier; on the other hand folk kick back about lockdown and complain it is overly restrictive and ignore the requirements and predict its early breakdown.

Ah well, I suppose that is the way thing work.

* NB track and trace in the countries that imposed it early, gave the government and police details of individuals movements

Privacy grounds could have been fix from day one they don't need a centralised approach to data
The government have chosen one that is with very little /no clear information as to who really owns it , runs it , and what they are allowed to do with it.

So much of health and prehospital care in the last few years has been based on machines that go ping. With little understanding of the bigger clinical picture that's clearly in front of you. It looking more likely that the current public health emergency is just doing more of the same.

 

[Slick]

Privacy grounds could have been fix from day one they don't need a centralised approach to data
The government have chosen one that is with very little /no clear information as to who really owns it , runs it , and what they are allowed to do with it.

So much of health and prehospital care in the last few years has been based on machines that go ping. With little understanding of the bigger clinical picture that's clearly in front of you. It looking more likely that the current public health emergency is just doing more of the same.

What could they realistically do with your postcode though?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

What could they realistically do with your postcode though?

That’s not how it’ll work. Its a contact tracing app so it will know every single contact you’ve had, when, and for how long. It’s needs to do that for around 80% of population for it to be effective. It’s being centralised. So all that data is available centralised and may be used for purposes well beyond its remit even if not hacked by a hostile third party. It’s a spy agency’s or totalitarian state‘s wet dream to know that much about 80% of the population of the UK.

 

[tom73]

What could they realistically do with your postcode though?

The post code is only thing your asked when you sign up. The rest of the information is taken later when think you many have symptoms.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

The post code is only thing your asked when you sign up. The rest of the information is taken later when think you many have symptoms.

What other information is taken - I can't find much about it.

 

[Mo1959]

I’m not one of these people that is permanently glued to my phone and often go out without it so seems a bit pointless for me.

 

[Slick]

That’s not how it’ll work. Its a contact tracing app so it will know every single contact you’ve had, when, and for how long. It’s needs to do that for around 80% of population for it to be effective. It’s being centralised. So all that data is available centralised and may be used for purposes well beyond its remit even if not hacked by a hostile third party. It’s a spy agency’s or totalitarian state‘s wet dream to know that much about 80% of the population of the UK.

The spy agency is welcome to the knowledge that I spent 8 hours at work before cycling home again then repeating the next 4 days. I honestly wouldn't mind that if it helped track down the virus.

 

[Slick]

The post code is only thing your asked when you sign up. The rest of the information is taken later when think you many have symptoms.

Don't give them anymore.

 

[Slick]

I’m not one of these people that is permanently glued to my phone and often go out without it so seems a bit pointless for me.

My entire life used to be reliant upon it so now it isn't I quite enjoy being phone free but if it helps I'll quite happily go back to having it on me constantly.

 

[tom73]

What other information is taken - I can't find much about it.

Name address ect the standard stuff but on top of that every single contact you’ve had, when, and for how long.
A complete picture of your known movements. Google would wet themselves to able to publicly in the open own and control stuff like this it's priceless data. All with no questions asked.

It just brings into question so many thing which without a law to control it is going to make it a total free fro all.
Australia are now putting in place legislation to control the one they have.
As it stands we have nothing to stop anyone withholding goods or services who refuses to use it or employers who require it before you can go to work

https://www.adalovelaceinstitute.or...isos-for-a-Contact-Tracing-App-4-May-2020.pdf

 

[tom73]

Don't give them anymore.

You can't that's the point it's how the app works.
If you don't want to give them anymore you wont use the app in the 1st place.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

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Bit awkward carrying it on all my walks though and what about people who live alone?

 

[vickster]

The spy agency is welcome to the knowledge that I spent 8 hours at work before cycling home again then repeating the next 4 days. I honestly wouldn't mind that if it helped track down the virus.

Indeed. It’s not like the government doesn’t already have access to bucket loads of information if it wants... if you use the Internet, use the NHS, pay tax, have a job, have a passport, a bank account, a mobile phone, a wearable etc etc etc

If people don’t want to download the app, then don’t, it won’t be compulsory

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Name address ect the standard stuff but on top of that every single contact you’ve had, when, and for how long.
A complete picture of your known movements. Google would wet themselves to able to publicly in the open own and control stuff like this it's priceless data. All with no questions asked.

It just brings into question so many thing which without a law to control it is going to make it a total free fro all.
Australia are now putting in place legislation to control the one they have.
As it stands we have nothing to stop anyone withholding goods or services who refuses to use it or employers who require it before you can go to work

https://www.adalovelaceinstitute.or...isos-for-a-Contact-Tracing-App-4-May-2020.pdf

OK thanks.

We're all very different but I can honestly say that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'll just be happy to have the App and do my bit to slow down the spread of CV and help protect the NHS and save lives etc.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

You couldn’t make it up.

https://metro.co.uk/video/american-woman-cuts-hole-face-mask-make-easier-breathe-2164644/