Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

The problem is three weeks ago if felt like the lockdown was going to be for a longtime, it was new, people were worried, acting accordingly. Now it feels like the lockdown will be coming to an end soon, there are a lot less people telling you stay home save lives, and people are acting accordingly. Put it another way in the week or two before the lockdown many people pre-empted some aspects of the lockdown in one way or another of thier own volition - now the reverse is happening.

Not everyone will go back early. There'll be workers who refuse to go back to work/very cautious about going back to work. It's hard to assess for us, but I suspect that after lockdown ends, there will be less social contact than before. What level of social contact equates to how big the peaks of the waves of the virus is I don't know beyond looking at things like the Imperial study. The government will have to sort out a plan for the 12 week club, the shielders, what they can and can't do for the next couple of years.

You slip of the tongue talk of a 'risk' of a second peak - which unfortunately until recent days was exactly the language the government were using. If on the other hand even you don't believe it, then what chance that anyone out there will listen? This seems to be quite a strange one, you are worried about what others are doing and then effectively saying well I don't believe it anyway, but I'm going to behave differently to them even though neither of us believe any of this stuff.

 

[mjr]

The govt know the lockdown is being breached by all and sundry - claiming to be working on ventilators or delivering medical equipment.

STAY HOME PROTECT THE NHS - but B + Q and River island are open !

People really are working to make ventilators and they're already anxious enough about having to leave home to do that work, thanks to the UK government's simplistic and incomplete headline advice. Please stop adding to it.

I agree that I don't see strong reason for the likes of River Island to be open for more than click-collect. Does the Lewis family have the ear of government?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

The standard of press questions at the briefings has been crap since day one.
Now some clown has just asked a question about Bexit

No surprise. There's a maxim in American journalism that says 'If it bleeds it leads'. Journalists simply look for blood and if none is evident then they try to provoke it's presence.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

With the lockdown beginning to crumble - what about we all go back to normal but sing happy birthday whilst washing our hands ?

It's only crumbling if people are acting illegally. Maybe some people are finally understanding what they can do within the current legal framework.

Up until yesterday there was still ongoing debate here on CC about the 1 hour exercise rule that never was - maybe this is an example of what is driving higher perceived levels of movement?

 

[PK99]

That wouldn't necessarily be a disaster, it depends on how far the infection rate has been reduced, and if the figure is a reasonably constant R = <1 then distancing and hygiene and masks might be enough to stop a second wave or general increase in infections - at least low enough to prevent overcrowding of hospitals. It's essential you don't get masses of people crowding together.

The timing of the lifting of restrictions is crucial.

 

[lane]

Not everyone will go back early. There'll be workers who refuse to go back to work/very cautious about going back to work. It's hard to assess for us, but I suspect that after lockdown ends, there will be less social contact than before. What level of social contact equates to how big the peaks of the waves of the virus is I don't know beyond looking at things like the Imperial study. The government will have to sort out a plan for the 12 week club, the shielders, what they can and can't do for the next couple of years.

You slip of the tongue talk of a 'risk' of a second peak - which unfortunately until recent days was exactly the language the government were using. If on the other hand even you don't believe it, then what chance that anyone out there will listen? This seems to be quite a strange one, you are worried about what others are doing and then effectively saying well I don't believe it anyway, but I'm going to behave differently to them even though neither of us believe any of this stuff.

What do you mean by slip of the tongue? Infact i don't understand the whole of the second paragraph or perhaps you have misinterpreted what I was trying to say?

Your first paragraph makes some sense I think some will behave differently and that will make a difference. But even if you would rather not be back at work its not like you get any choice in the matter.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

They are in a very difficult position but nobody is going to thank them when the bodies start piling up if there's a big second peak. It's uncharted territory. I'm quite prepared to accept another couple of months of restrictions if that significantly reduces the overall death toll. The problem is that nobody has enough information to make an accurate decision. It's all guesses.

And even though the decisions are based on medical and scientific advice the government, even if it wasn't a Conservative government. would get a hammering on the damned if you do, damned if you don't front from the media and armchair experts.

I remember a much younger looking Tony & Co during the 'war years' getting a hammering for soldier's boots peeling off in the desert and armour on vehicles being too fragile. Nothing changes.

Why anyone wants to be a politician, let alone party leader/PM, is beyond me - it's not like they are paid particularly well.

 

[marinyork]

It's only crumbling if people are acting illegally. Maybe some people are finally understanding what they can do within the current legal framework.

Up until yesterday there was still ongoing debate here on CC about the 1 hour exercise rule that never was - maybe this is an example of what is driving higher perceived levels of movement?

To be fair the media is saying right now that some report says that there are solid figures suggesting transport is increasing.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

To be fair the media is saying right now that some report says that there are solid figures suggesting transport is increasing.

That may well be the case, but I'm not saying it isn't increasing (based on my own observations it is) I'm just offering up a 'non-crumbling' alternative reason as to why.

 

[marinyork]

What do you mean by slip of the tongue? Infact i don't understand the whole of the second paragraph or perhaps you have misinterpreted what I was trying to say?

Your first paragraph makes some sense I think some will behave differently and that will make a difference. But even if you would rather not be back at work its not like you get any choice in the matter.

That you said risk of a second peak accidentally. It's something said so often that I can understand that.

The alternative is that you don't think there will be a second peak. I was pointing out that if you don't think there is an overwhelming chance of that how can you expect other people to behave in the sorts of ways you are saying? Its a debate around language used by the government.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

And even though the decisions are based on medical and scientific advice the government, even if it wasn't a Conservative government. would get a hammering in the damned if you do, damned if you don't front from the media and armchair experts.

Sure but it are not only armchair experts, to government only seem to listen to the so called ''sage'' experts. I'm sure there capable but this is a new virus and while countries that managed this virus very well all relied on face protection and with hindsight it looks like to right thing to do, yet in here it's not even an recommendation.

I remember a much younger looking Tony & Co during the 'war years' getting a hammering for soldier's boots peeling off in the desert and armour on vehicles being too fragile. Nothing changes.

Why anyone wants to be a politician, let alone party leader/PM, is beyond me - it's not like they are paid particularly well.

The Land Rover gate was disgusting they should have acted faster as it was very clear it had became death traps especially in comparison with the Hummers.

 

[lane]

That you said risk of a second peak accidentally. It's something said so often that I can understand that.

The alternative is that you don't think there will be a second peak. I was pointing out that if you don't think there is an overwhelming chance of that how can you expect other people to behave in the sorts of ways you are saying? Its a debate around language used by the government.

Do you think a second peak is a given whatever the Government policy is? Is the only question the size of the second peak that will be impacted by policy choices?

 

[marinyork]

That may well be the case, but I'm not saying it isn't increasing (based on my own observations it is) I'm just offering up a 'non-crumbling' alternative reason as to why.

I have been out three times this week to exercise and once to shop. It's hard to say for me what is happening.

Kingrollo watches and reads too much news like me and tends to post short snippets just after he's seen them. But it's based on stuff he's seen.

 

[matticus]

Ah yes, those useless "so-called experts".
Damn them!

 

[lane]

I have been out three times this week to exercise and once to shop. It's hard to say for me what is happening.

Kingrollo watches and reads too much news like me and tends to post short snippets just after he's seen them. But it's based on stuff he's seen.

Went out for a walk at 10pm yesterday. A week ago I might have seen less than 10 cars. Last night it was 30 or 40 .