Coronavirus outbreak

[Milzy]

BBC News at 6 had Prof Hill, head of the Jenner Institute in Oxford talking about the vaccine (I think in evidence to the Commons Select Cttee) saying that it would be rolled out in the normal way and given to vulnerable people first (much in the same way the 'flu jab is)

Many people refuse the flu jab. Some have conspiracy theories about them others are just scared of needles. Some would rather have Flu than be at work. Do you think most of the general public will happily take a rushed out vaccine? Those who refuse will spread to others who also have refused or not had the chance yet.

 

[Rocky]

Many people refuse the flu jab. Some have conspiracy theories about them others are just scared of needles. Some would rather have Flu than be at work. Do you think most of the general public will happily take a rushed out vaccine? Those who refuse will spread to others who also have refused or not had the chance yet.

It's an interesting point - at the moment we don't have compulsory vaccination (although some countries do). To work as a junior doctor, my son has to prove he's had a range of vaccinations or is immune to a range of diseases. I would imagine for health care workers it would be compulsory (although to be fair, most will have immunity against Covid now) to be vaccinated. Advertising and nudge philosophy will be employed to motivate others to get vaccinated.

 

[kingrollo]

Did you not see the 2016 model that reckoned 800'000+ dead without hand-washing? Even the washing-but-no-lockdown 500'000 model never got quite that bad.

No I didn't.
But what I am saying is if we are moving towards facial protection is that not the major transmission method ?

I'm no advocating no hand washing.

 

[kingrollo]

Many people refuse the flu jab. Some have conspiracy theories about them others are just scared of needles. Some would rather have Flu than be at work. Do you think most of the general public will happily take a rushed out vaccine? Those who refuse will spread to others who also have refused or not had the chance yet.

Not everyone needs to have it for it too work.

 

[Levo-Lon]

University of Oxford are targeting having 1 million doses of a vaccine by September. The potential vaccine is undergoing clinical trials at the moment - of course it might not be effective but if it is, the vulnerable will be given it first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52329659

Was your good lady on the BBC news tonight @Brompton Bruce talking about masks?

 

[tom73]

It's an interesting point - at the moment we don't have compulsory vaccination (although some countries do). To work as a junior doctor, my son has to prove he's had a range of vaccinations or is immune to a range of diseases. I would imagine for health care workers it would be compulsory (although to be fair, most will have immunity against Covid now) to be vaccinated. Advertising and nudge philosophy will be employed to motivate others to get vaccinated.

The anti vac lot will no doubt find some new wacky theory as to way it’s not a safe idea.
They have sadly become a growing and deadly lobby of late.

 

[tom73]

So now we know how you make 55,000 gowns last all weekend?
You change the guidelines so the lost resort plan of a few days ago.
Have now become main steam guidelines.
HCP‘s will now have no choice but to think the unthinkable and not treat people.
Unbelievable

 

[Wobblers]

What would you consider a smoking gun? I would consider it a smoking gun if there was no intermediary species between bats and humans.

The index case being in close proximity to one of those research labs is circumstantial evidence. It would need to be established that the first person with the disease definitively caught it there. That would probably need the genetics of coronaviruses at that lab to be very similar to the one in the wild.

Given that the last two coronavirus infections have emerged without the assistance of research labs, it's more likely that this is how SARS-CoV-2 came about. It has taken many years of work to show that MERS probably came from bats via camels, which may now be acting as a reservoir for MERS. Failure to find any intermediary species quickly does not mean one does not exist. Nor should the lack of any intermediary indicate that the virus must have come from a research lab - there are many viruses which don't have any intermediary (Lassa, the hantaviruses and probably Marburg are all examples of this).

 

[Wobblers]

BBC News at 6 had Prof Hill, head of the Jenner Institute in Oxford talking about the vaccine (I think in evidence to the Commons Select Cttee) saying that it would be rolled out in the normal way and given to vulnerable people first (much in the same way the 'flu jab is)

I think a good argument could be made that front line medical staff should be prioritised, both from the pragmatic view that this would help to ensure that the front line services will be able to operate more effectively and also from the moral view that since they're the ones experiencing the highest risks it's only fair that they should be first in line for protection.

 

[Rocky]

Was your good lady on the BBC news tonight @Brompton Bruce talking about masks?

Yes, she’s been doing a few interviews!!

 

[tom73]

On the vaccine at yesterdays briefing the question was asked that seeing we've been behind with ever thing up to now.
What measures have been put in place that once we have a vaccine.
We can one secure enough supply and two be first in line to get hold of any.
From waffle of a rely it's not clear we have either. So we may end up with a government backed UK developed vaccine which we can't get hold of.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Ok can someone clarify this.

PPE,
So there seems to be a problem with aprons masks ect
Their saying ppe must be changed for every patient.

So you have a ward with 100% covid-19 patients.
Why does the ppe need changing for every patient's care?
You cant give someone covid who's got it.
You wont have a nurse in a covid-19 icu ward dealing with general icu health problems like car accidents, heart attack ect
Dr Rosanna Kahn shadow health secretary going on about it.

If a nurse is in covid-19 ward for the day why are they needing to use fresh ppe constantly, when your in that atmosphere, when it's in the air.

 

[Slick]

Ok can someone clarify this.

PPE,
So there seems to be a problem with aprons masks ect
Their saying ppe must be changed for every patient.

So you have a ward with 100% covid-19 patients.
Why does the ppe need changing for every patient's care?
You cant give someone covid who's got it.
You wont have a nurse in a covid-19 icu ward dealing with general icu health problems like car accidents, heart attack ect
Dr Rosanna Kahn shadow health secretary going on about it.

If a nurse is in covid-19 ward for the day why are they needing to use fresh ppe constantly, when your in that atmosphere, when it's in the air.

Was there not some work going into finding out why some people died and some didn't? I'm sure the best they came up with was being constantly re-infected or those being constantly exposed to the virus had a much higher likelihood of a poor outcome.

 

[marinyork]

I've said for a while airborne droplets would appear to be the major transmission route. All the handwashing didn't appear to slow the virus at all. Wearing masks might be more effective.

Italy?

 

[Levo-Lon]

Was there not some work going into finding out why some people died and some didn't? I'm sure the best they came up with was being constantly re-infected or those being constantly exposed to the virus had a much higher likelihood of a poor outcome.

In part,but the goal posts keep moving.
I'd have thought the patient would be protected from inhaling and absorbing?