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Wobblers

Euthermic
Location
Minkowski Space
Maybe if we were not so generous at the start of this out break by sending China 650000 sets of protective clothing without thinking can we replace this if we need them in the future

China had a desperate need for PPE at the time. We responded out of common human decency. This is not something that should need explaining. And it has been well rewarded - China has sent ventilators, PPE and medical teams to the West.
 

Yellow Fang

Legendary Member
Location
Reading
That paper simply states that there were two labs in Wuhan which were researching coronaviruses. There is insufficient evidence to extrapolate from that to conclude that one of these labs is the source of the virus.

Yes, there have been instances that research labs have been the source of disease outbreaks - the last case of smallpox in the UK was one. That instance was clear - a photographer working at Birmingham University caught smallpox thanks to a defective ventilation system from a research lab investigating the disease. But that illustrates that the index case would have to be in very close proximity to the research lab. We don't know who the index case is, when they caught it and where they were at the time. Given that, it is impossible to make a causal link between the existence of these research labs and the seafood market outbreak. This is not the smoking gun.

What would you consider a smoking gun? I would consider it a smoking gun if there was no intermediary species between bats and humans.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
China had a desperate need for PPE at the time. We responded out of common human decency. This is not something that should need explaining. And it has been well rewarded - China has sent ventilators, PPE and medical teams to the West.
I think we responded out of self-interest, hoping it would enable containment and avoid it reaching us this year.
 

lane

Veteran
Two countries that have apparently handled the virus very well and we could learn from them:

Greece
Rwanda
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Who cares what the motive was as long as it did something to help their patients? If you look at who funds the WHO you will see that the UK is relatively generous. I'm sure that can be spun into a hateful imperialist conspiracy too.
Ending "too" implies that I spun the donation of PPE to China that way. I did not. I just think the UK government motive was more head than heart.

I fully support it. It was a good move for everyone.
 

Rezillo

TwoSheds
Location
Suffolk
What would you consider a smoking gun? I would consider it a smoking gun if there was no intermediary species between bats and humans.

If you had googled the report‘s principal author before posting a link to it, you would have found that Botao Xiao withdrew the report on the grounds that it "was not supported by direct proofs".
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Tales from the care homes -

Two elderly women suffering from dementia were found wandering the Covid wards at a Glasgow hospital at the weekend. Eventually staff worked out who they were - residents of a nearby care home. Management of the care home said they must have wandered off. Staff say the two women had Covid symptoms and were driven by the manager and a care assistant to the hospital and dumped outside.

I've mentioned before that my step-son works in a care home. I've seen WhatsApp messages talking about the sheer incompetence of care home management and the utter chaos going on. These are supposedly Council run and supervised facilities but it's clear the standards are appalling. Little wonder that Sturgeon is having to address the more public concerns but this is a sector that will really need shaken up once this is over Completely unsurprising to see the death toll is so high.
 
Tales from the care homes -

Two elderly women suffering from dementia were found wandering the Covid wards at a Glasgow hospital at the weekend. Eventually staff worked out who they were - residents of a nearby care home. Management of the care home said they must have wandered off. Staff say the two women had Covid symptoms and were driven by the manager and a care assistant to the hospital and dumped outside.

I've mentioned before that my step-son works in a care home. I've seen WhatsApp messages talking about the sheer incompetence of care home management and the utter chaos going on. These are supposedly Council run and supervised facilities but it's clear the standards are appalling. Little wonder that Sturgeon is having to address the more public concerns but this is a sector that will really need shaken up once this is over Completely unsurprising to see the death toll is so high.

I think that rather like protected workshops, a lot depends on the individual organisation. They can be well run; my grandmother lived until she was 103 in a spotless council run care home in Yorkshire with very kind, dedicated staff, who made her the mother of all cakes every birthday without fail. Equally I've seen private homes where people were basically dumped in a char and left to fend for themselves the rest of the day.

Unfortunately I think that for the authorities they can become a place to dump people as cheaply as possible, and when that becomes the attitude then you end up with all kinds of problems.

I've noticed here that there's a trend to make sure that people with disabilities live and work in places run by different organisations, which I think is an excellent idea because it means both organisations keep an eye on each other.
 
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