kingrollo
Guru
They need to blame immigration somehow..
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What you fail to understand is many are being allowed to work some are even being told they have no choice but carry on working. The NHS was advised over a month ago to take them off the front line. But nothing has changed. The NHS has duty of care and it’s plainly falling flat.
When HCP’s are having to make a choice of treating someone or putting themselves at risk. It’s no longer just a problem for them.
Health care workers are playing a heavy price for the failings of others we’ve lost 56 and counting.
kingrollo
Guru
Downgraded advice for asthmatics
The NHS now say that you would be considered at very high risk if ALL THREE of these things apply to you:
I presume by oral steroids they mean tablets rather than steroid inhalers - if so I only meet two of the criteria
Full guidance here
https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/shielding-advice-high-risk/#Who
The NHS now say that you would be considered at very high risk if ALL THREE of these things apply to you:
- You have asthma, AND
- You are taking certain extra controller medicines as well as a preventer inhaler (for example, you are taking Montelukast, salmeterol or formoterol, or you are on a combination inhaler like Seretide, Fostair, Symbicort, Flutiform, Fobumix, DuoResp Spiromax, Combisal, Sereflo, Sirdupla, Aloflute, AirFluSal, Relvar Ellipta, Fusacomb or Stalpex), AND
- You are taking continuous or frequent oral steroids.
I presume by oral steroids they mean tablets rather than steroid inhalers - if so I only meet two of the criteria
Full guidance here
https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/shielding-advice-high-risk/#Who
LarryDuff
Guru
- Location
- Hillsborough Co Down
PPE running short in the Royal in Belfast. The masks that the ICU have been measured for are unavailable. Visors and aprons in short supply. NHS staff deserve better.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
They'll do anything to avoid paying pickers the local market pay rate, won't they?
kingrollo
Guru
Grim.....
A number of other patients are also dying at home from cardiac arrest. Now in our area the ROLE procedure has changed because of the volume of patients who are dying. We have always had ROLE but what is new is that, because of the volume of [such cases], they are changing the way we do it. You would normally need a GP to confirm that someone has died and why, but due to the sheer volume at the moment that is not practical.
“In the job last week we did three ROLEs in one nursing home in one night. That is almost unheard of.
“This is really significant. Are these deaths at home being recorded in the daily statistics of deaths? No, they’re not at the moment. Is that a way of the numbers [of overall Covid-related deaths] being fudged?
https://www.theguardian.com/society...reaking-people-dying-at-home-help-denied-them
A number of other patients are also dying at home from cardiac arrest. Now in our area the ROLE procedure has changed because of the volume of patients who are dying. We have always had ROLE but what is new is that, because of the volume of [such cases], they are changing the way we do it. You would normally need a GP to confirm that someone has died and why, but due to the sheer volume at the moment that is not practical.
“In the job last week we did three ROLEs in one nursing home in one night. That is almost unheard of.
“This is really significant. Are these deaths at home being recorded in the daily statistics of deaths? No, they’re not at the moment. Is that a way of the numbers [of overall Covid-related deaths] being fudged?
https://www.theguardian.com/society...reaking-people-dying-at-home-help-denied-them
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lane
Veteran
I don't think this is new at all. As far as I understand there are two levels. The first is act as though you are over 70 i.e be very stringent with social distancing which applies to all with asthma because they are eligible for the flu jab which is one criteria. . Then there were the 1.5 million with more serious issues who were told to SELF ISOLATE for 12 weeks which for those with asthma only included people taking oral steroids. So as far as I can see nothing has changed.
This is not downgraded advice for those with asthma.
Edit I have seen recently that 10% of people have asthma which is 6 million compared with the 1.5 million self isolated.
kingrollo
Guru
I disagree - at the start of the lockdown on the Asthma uk website if stated if you took a certain type of inhaler you were considered in the vulnerable group (tiotopuim was mine) - I also called my GP to verify and she said yes I should self isolate for 12 weeks and would get a sheilding letter in due course.
Also it starts the paragraph with " The NHS now says" - so the advice has changed ("Downgraded" was my words on reflection I suppose it should be "updated advice")
Edit - Its on the NHS website - and it states that the document (Inhaler types = Risk group) was retired on 10/04/2020
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DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
- Location
- Reading, obvs
Loads ? I think not.
lane
Veteran
In which case I may be wrong,which is worrying since I have asthma. All I have ever seen is regarding the oral steroids. I have looked on the NHS website and can only find the link to asthma UK website, if you could link to the retired advice I would be interested. Oh well I have at least been following the revised advice correctly. Never been contacted by anyone regarding shielding although that doesn't mean much they missed a lot of people that I do know.
kingrollo
Guru
No I think the initial advice was incorrect - I puff my 3 or 4 inhalers in the morning and that's it. I haven't had an attack for over 40 years .
I would be surprised if I was one the worst asthmatics!
Back on my phone now - but try and send you the links tommorow !
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Vigilantes harrass a nurse for going to work 
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-door-calling-her-a-disgrace-during-lockdown/
Posting poison pen letters isn't a reasonable excuse to leave your home.
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-door-calling-her-a-disgrace-during-lockdown/Posting poison pen letters isn't a reasonable excuse to leave your home.
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Wobblers
Euthermic
- Location
- Minkowski Space
That paper simply states that there were two labs in Wuhan which were researching coronaviruses. There is insufficient evidence to extrapolate from that to conclude that one of these labs is the source of the virus.
Yes, there have been instances that research labs have been the source of disease outbreaks - the last case of smallpox in the UK was one. That instance was clear - a photographer working at Birmingham University caught smallpox thanks to a defective ventilation system from a research lab investigating the disease. But that illustrates that the index case would have to be in very close proximity to the research lab. We don't know who the index case is, when they caught it and where they were at the time. Given that, it is impossible to make a causal link between the existence of these research labs and the seafood market outbreak. This is not the smoking gun.
