Coronavirus outbreak

[Rocky]

It absolutely is the case. I mentioned before that my stepson with asthma and looking after 3 young children was told to come into work at the care home or he wouldn't get paid - a story repeated across Glasgow.

If it's happening extensively in Glasgow, it's happening elsewhere.

But please do not try and deflect from the dire situation by saying that I am blaming the Tories. I am not. I am not making any political statement. We have dedicated, brave, key workers, whom we go out every Thursday night at 8.00pm to applaud, and we are willingly putting them at risk of serious illness and death because we are not protecting them. It is a national scandal.

 

[theclaud]

What's needed, and has been needed since as soon as it was clear what was happening, is a full lockdown which includes all non-essential communal workplaces, a full economic support programme (including for example a basic income) so that everyone can actually comply with it without starving or becoming homeless, and a massive drive to increase NHS capacity following a decade of deliberate underfunding. And paying all essential workers properly. Instead Johnson and his government decided to let the virus rip through the country unimpeded, then when they saw the scale of the backlash, implemented everything too late and too weakly, tried to blame their own negligence on the very people we need most, whipped up suspicion between citizens and substituted bargain-basement Churchillian rhetoric for both integrity and action. Unity my arse.

 

[lane]

I think the main thing Boris should do going forward is take advice from WHO not the scientists who have proved less than competent to date.

 

[marinyork]

It absolutely is the case. I mentioned before that my stepson with asthma and looking after 3 young children was told to come into work at the care home or he wouldn't get paid - a story repeated across Glasgow.

If it's happening extensively in Glasgow, it's happening elsewhere.

I'm sure it is. There do seem to be very variable outcomes around asthma in particular. In what appear to be broadly similar circumstances:-

- Some people paid full salary (yes, really)
- Some people furloughed (80%)
- Some offered unpaid leave
- Some told to come into work
- Some agreed/actually is SSP
- Some sacked
- Some forced onto SSP by employer when not appropriate (this is fraudulent)
- Some allowed parental leave
- Some allowed care for dependents (and thus almost always unpaid) for a limited time say a week.
- Some paid for an odd number of carer days (v. rare and not a spoof).
- Some clawback scheme

 

[tom73]

In Scotland, care home bosses have been locking PPE away from staff and ordering them to take off masks

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/...5OPQzMfSJ8Ncz023BUCnJXC9P_KDHeOx8cJVFyZkOJvQQ

If this is the case i'm sorry but i'd be kicking the door in and be dammed. Let them phone the police or what ever the publicity alone would bring them down. Given that much of the PPE at the moment is not coming out he owners pocket it can be argued it's public property anyway.
PPE only works if you are using it. It's like having an AED in the cupboard and they lose the key.

 

[kingrollo]

Meanwhile.......Gown supply critically low in some hospitals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52269426

Could this be why 41 health and social care workers have already died for doing their jobs?

https://nursingnotes.co.uk/covid-19-memorial/

I don't want any politician to die or get ill but I do want to know why our key workers are being put in such a vulnerable position because of lack of basic kit. Someone needs to be held responsible for this.

Agree - thing is the govt either intentionally or unintentionally have hidden behind "stay home - protect the NHS" any disenting voices are drowned out ....it's quite brilliant really...

 

[kingrollo]

I think the main thing Boris should do going forward is take advice from WHO not the scientists who have proved less than competent to date.

To be fair Boris can get the advice from whoever it's his choice then to make the call. The scientists provide the evidence, scenarios etc - but they don't instruct Boris what to do. The most nauseous thing was Boris trying to side step it and imply all the decisions were via the scientists...

 

[cookiemonster]

Am I understanding this correctly? The 4 main PPE manufacturers in the UK, all based in England, have announced that they’ll be prioritising England and will not be sending any equipment to Scotland.

 

[kingrollo]

Stay at home - protect the NHS - and don't blame the Tories..

 

[kingrollo]

Am I understanding this correctly? The 4 main PPE manufacturers in the UK, all based in England, have announced that they’ll be prioritising England and will not be sending any equipment to Scotland.

Given the timescales - I don't think it will matter that much. The UK mass production of ventilators will IMO be too late - at least for this wave of the virus.

 

[cookiemonster]

Stay at home - protect the NHS - and don't blame the Tories..

Stay at home-protect the NHS-and the Tories have some serious questions to answer.

 

[tom73]

Churchill during the war came up with a way for flagging up any papers that came his way.
Which he felt needed sorting in hurry he had a stamp made with "action this day"
The more this go's on the more we need someone to hunt around Whitehall for it.

 

[cookiemonster]

Given the timescales - I don't think it will matter that much. The UK mass production of ventilators will IMO be too late - at least for this wave of the virus.

Doesn’t matter? The 4 PPE manufacturers have just said that they’re not sending any PPE north of the border. That’s not ventilators but masks, gowns etc.

But it doesn’t matter? Oh boy.

 

[Rocky]

Doesn’t matter? The 4 PPE manufacturers have just said that they’re not sending any PPE north of the border. That’s not ventilators but masks, gowns etc.

But it doesn’t matter? Oh boy.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked - 'limiting the supplies to Scotland' (from a BBC source).......there's a shortage in England but, no way would I have thought this would happen. The Prof and I have a number of dear friends who are on the frontline in Scotland. This is so sad - we are all supposedly in it together. I would really like to know who made this decision.

 

[kingrollo]

Doesn’t matter? The 4 PPE manufacturers have just said that they’re not sending any PPE north of the border. That’s not ventilators but masks, gowns etc.

But it doesn’t matter? Oh boy.

Sorry I didn't mean to be flippant , and I wasn't talking PPE . What I meant was by the time UK produced ventilators are rolling off the production lines in any great numbers - I fear they will be too late for many people.