Coronavirus outbreak

[Rocky]

Are you party to the advice he received from his medical team? Perhaps he was strongly advised to recuperate somewhere away from the centre of government

I am party to how it feels when recovering from Covid. I am also party to the idea of stopping unnecessary journeys so that the virus doesnt get spread to rural communities.

 

[vickster]

I am party to how it feels when recovering from Covid. I am also party to the idea of stopping unnecessary journeys so that the virus doesnt get spread to rural communities.

No then

 

[Rocky]

No then

That's not quite true - medical advice is being put out on a daily basis by the Department of Health. Why should Boris get any different advice to the rest of us? Is his physiology different to anyone else? Or is it OK for him to spread the virus?

 

[Johnno260]

PM uses a hospital bed, people complain. PM goes to 2nd home to recover people complain.

I just stop paying to these posts as people just criticise whatever he does.

I’m waiting for the why isn’t he back at work complaint in a few days.

 

[Rocky]

PM uses a hospital bed, people complain. PM goes to 2nd home to recover people complain.

I just stop paying teen toon to these posts as people just criticise whatever he does.

I’m waiting for the why isn’t he back at work complaint in a few days.

I'm not complaining about the first issue. But leadership is about actions and not simply words. How can politicians and senior medical figures (eg Scotland's CMO) have to resign for doing what Boris is doing? Smacks of double standards to me.

 

[Johnno260]

I'm not complaining about the first issue. But leadership is about actions and not simply words. How can politicians and senior medical figures (eg Scotland's CMO) have to resign for doing what Boris is doing? Smacks of double standards to me.

They were travelling for the sake of being in a different location etc he is not exactly going on a jolly.

Whatever is the best option for him medically and getting him up front and center again takes priority.

Being at No 10 I bet he would probably be inclined to start work earlier than would be ideal.

 

[Stephenite]

Again, you provide an unreferenced claim. Please provide references.

Is this relating to today's figures (not yet on the official website https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa ) or yesterday's figures?

Here are the figures up to and including yesterday from worldometers

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To claim this is falling for the third consecutive day, whilst literally true, is obviously misleading - it's very clear from the data that numbers reported at weekends are massively lower than during the week, and that depending on Easter weekend reporting, there will surely be increases today or tomorrow.

Per capita numbers in Sweden are far higher than the adjacent Dennmark and Norway. In those countries, the outbreak has much more clearly peaked. Norway has about half the population but eight times less deaths.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

(the positive test data is more compelling still)

We will see where it ends. In the meantime, do try to present the data more objectively.

Thank you very much @roubaixtuesday . Saved me a job.

Sweden has plenty of restrictions in place though they haven't gone as far as the other nordic countries, or the UK.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

They were travelling for the sake of being in a different location etc he is not exactly going on a jolly.

Whatever is the best option for him medically and getting him up front and center again takes priority.

Being at No 10 I bet he would probably be inclined to start work earlier than would be ideal.

I'm inclined to agree with you here.

Any person, in a similar situation, ie the need to convalesce after a serious illness, would be best advised to do so away from the workplace.

Seems like the natural place for him to recuperate to me.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Thank you very much @roubaixtuesday . Saved me a job.

Sweden has plenty of restrictions in place though they haven't gone as far as the other nordic countries, or the UK.

I have many friends in Sweden. Essentially they have a voluntary lockdown relying on people to be sensible. Far more restrictive than "normal" but equally much less restrictive than anywhere else in Europe. Perhaps 75% of our restrictions in reality, I'd say.

So far, it's clearly proving much less effective than full lockdowns, but perhaps it will be effective enough. Only time will tell on that. It seems to be becoming increasingly controversial in Sweden. I hope it works, both because of the friends I have there and also it gives us hope that the virus is not so easily transmitted as to require the really heavy restrictions here.

 

[alicat]

I'm inclined to agree with you here.

Any person, in a similar situation, ie the need to convalesce after a serious illness, would be best advised to do so away from the workplace.

Seems like the natural place for him to recuperate to me.

And his fiancee doesn't have to join him. We are all being asked to make sacrifices. Many couples haven't seen each other for weeks because they don't live together. I don' hate Boris Johnson but I would respect him more if he said 'I am going back to 10 Downing Street because the regulations say don't make unnecessary journeys and I will be working in 10 Downing St when I am better. I am doing it to show that the regulations affect everyone and it's my way of thanking the NHS staff who saved my life.'

 

[Rocky]

They were travelling for the sake of being in a different location etc he is not exactly going on a jolly.

Whatever is the best option for him medically and getting him up front and center again takes priority.

Being at No 10 I bet he would probably be inclined to start work earlier than would be ideal.

I hope he gets better soon but to think that the only reason for going to Chequers is to get away from the pressures of government flies in the face of facts. I'm sure we have both listened to briefings from Raab and colleagues where they've said that even when he was in ICU he was participating in Government. He's no more likely to get rest at Chequers than he is at the flat in No. 10. What he is doing is raising the risk of transmitting the virus to a rural community.

My son is self-isolating and recovering in an AirBnB single room flat in Belsize Park having caught Covid when he was at work. I would like to drive into London (from Oxford) and get him - no one should be sick on their own. I can't because of the fear of transmitting Covid. It would be irresponsible to do so. What message does Boris' actions send to the many health care professionals who are ill, on their own and feeling scared as a result?

 

[winjim]

So all these people working from home, where should they go to recuperate if they get ill? The home is the workplace now. My computer is set up in my bedroom, if I get the virus I will be convalescing in what is now literally my office.

 

[Archie_tect]

George Monbiot once again expressing our inner thoughts...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gijhmipliY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR11wvZwO268xdxEsC12dq9fzb4HpuONqHzE1q6CpHCL52qG_YJoLGfDETU

 

[Stephenite]

I have many friends in Sweden. Essentially they have a voluntary lockdown relying on people to be sensible. Far more restrictive than "normal" but equally much less restrictive than anywhere else in Europe. Perhaps 75% of our restrictions in reality, I'd say.

So far, it's clearly proving much less effective than full lockdowns, but perhaps it will be effective enough. Only time will tell on that. It seems to be becoming increasingly controversial in Sweden. I hope it works, both because of the friends I have there and also it gives us hope that the virus is not so easily transmitted as to require the really heavy restrictions here.

I hope it works too. At the moment though Worldometer shows they have four times as many deaths per capita than Norway. As you say only time will tell.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

George Monbiot once again expressing our inner thoughts...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gijhmipliY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR11wvZwO268xdxEsC12dq9fzb4HpuONqHzE1q6CpHCL52qG_YJoLGfDETU

o-1 here.